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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 1:45 pm 
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I am sorry?? Over 8 passenger seats should be PSV surely?

Quite, but the motors we are talking about are 8-seater PH vehicles. :wink:

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Sussex wrote:
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I am sorry?? Over 8 passenger seats should be PSV surely?

Quite, but the motors we are talking about are 8-seater PH vehicles. :wink:


OK. Not the company I was thinking it was then.

At least I know who it is now. Doh! The light at the end of the tunnel hits with massive force.


Still no reason to slur the entire trade though.


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Still no reason to slur the entire trade though.

Indeed, which takes us right back to Ted's first post. :wink:

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Sussex wrote:
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Still no reason to slur the entire trade though.

Indeed, which takes us right back to Ted's first post. :wink:


8 pages and 151 posts and we end up at the first post. Still no substance from the promulgaters of the article. :roll:


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At least I know who it is now. Doh! The light at the end of the tunnel hits with massive force.


Still no reason to slur the entire trade though.


And no reason to slate an entire Union.

Listen AndyR .................. you will get support from some on here, even if its just because your slating the GMB ................... others will support you just because your having a ding dong with me ....................... but that doesn't mean what your saying is right.

The fact remains that A PH operator is competing for school contract work in an area where his vehicles couldn't meet the criteria of that council regarding PH licensing ................. this obviously puts him at an advantage when it comes to tendering as his costs are lower.

It is also a fact that the area which licenses this company obviously has lower minimum standards when it comes to PH licensing .................... so whether you choose to operate at a higher standard is a personal or business choice not enforced by the council.

The wording of the press release could or should have been better .............. but there is substantial evidence that the facts are and were completely correct.

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GA, school time, not much time to answer in as much depth as I would like to, but thank you for at least going partway to answer some questions.

I still take exception to some of the 'facts' and the way they were presented, but will have to contest that later :)

I need to get one thing straight though GA. I am not in anyone's pockets. I am not here to slate the GMB. I am happy to fight my own corner and do not respond well to aggression as per the GMB forum and TF's comments.

But if the GMB has done something, or issued something I don't agree with I am within my rights to respond.

The rest will have to wait until the phone stops ringing :wink:


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Sussex, are they referring to you or JD?

Who knows who they are referring to?

And for that matter does anyone really care? :?


Oh yeah I know a few people who care ................. but they were with the person who made the original allegations and who not only collected substantial evidence but also delivered it very well to the leader of Brighton Council.

Its a shame that person is now trying to distance himself from the work that he did ................... choosing to let the GMB take the blame for his actions ................ which I might add were perfectly justified.

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The fact remains that A PH operator is competing for school contract work in an area where his vehicles couldn't meet the criteria of that council

Fact:
PH mechanical taxi test in Lewes = 2 per year.
Fact:
PH mechanical taxi test in B&H = 1 per year.

Fact:
B&H criteria sets lower standards

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GA wrote:
...... but there is substantial evidence that the facts are and were completely correct.


The "Document" of the GMB holds no facts whatsoever.
Subsequent outcrys from people such as yourself also add to this massive "GMB denial spasm" by declaring no-one knows who wrote it despite the authors being acredited at the beginning and end of the document.
They deny culpability, they deny that they made allegations ... and so on. They, bless, have probably ceased to exist in the real world because of their urge to deny 'everything'.

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AndyR wrote:
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I am sorry?? Over 8 passenger seats should be PSV surely?

Quite, but the motors we are talking about are 8-seater PH vehicles. :wink:


OK. Not the company I was thinking it was then.

At least I know who it is now. Doh! The light at the end of the tunnel hits with massive force.


Still no reason to slur the entire trade though.


So Mr SS ...................... Mr AndyR seems to know who was being referred to in the original complaint made to the leader of Brighton & Hove .................... during the time the person who formulated and delivered the complaint was a member, and an active member, of the GMBPDB in Brighton.

The complaint was therefore made in the name of the GMB ............... and now the GMBPDB are in a position where they have to try and satisfy those people upset by the claims and accusations of a person who is not only no longer a member (or active member) but who has took a stance against the union generally and the branch secretary specifically.

the phrase "dropped in the $hit" springs to mind.

However I do believe that the press release was wrongly worded.

B. Lucky :D

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B&H criteria sets lower standards

I'm not so sure about that, it's just they don't test those standards as many times.

If I remember rightly Carlisle test three times a year, yet the Captain says someone plated a £500 WAV recently. :shock:

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Sussex wrote:
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B&H criteria sets lower standards

I'm not so sure about that, it's just they don't test those standards as many times.

More frequent tests equals greater assurance of mechanical safety.
Less frequent tests equals greater uncertainty.

Ipso facto. Look to your logic, it's fools logic, leave that to the GMB they're very good at it.

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B&H criteria sets lower standards

I'm not so sure about that, it's just they don't test those standards as many times.

More frequent tests equals greater assurance of mechanical safety.
Less frequent tests equals greater uncertainty.

Ipso facto. Look to your logic, it's fools logic, leave that to the GMB they're very good at it.

Join life, leave the GMB.


Some time ago our council didn't allow remoulds .................. I know a number of drivers that had two sets of wheels and ran on remoulds until test time, they then changed the wheels for the branded tyred ones and presented the vehicle for test.

If there had been 4 tests a year that vehicle would have passed every time ......................... standards are nothing without enforcement ........................ and more enforcement than a test a couple of times a year.

Many "stings" have been carried out recently ................. nowhere have I heard of less than 40% of vehicles being found without defect.

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Ipso facto. Look to your logic, it's fools logic, leave that to the GMB they're very good at it.

Still not so sure.

Maybe if drivers didn't give a dam about their vehicles and punters. But if you take that view you are casting the same aspersions against your fellow drivers that has given you the hump about the GMB. :?

Then you have to compare the enforcement activities of the respective LOs. If one lot never go out, then between those 6 months checks the vehicles could be in any state.

Whereas if another set of LOs are out every weekend, then drivers would be very silly to let things go between their annual checks. :wink:

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However I do believe that the press release was wrongly worded


How did the failings of one company in one area lead to an article slating all of the surrounding districts? Why drag any other firm/driver into it?


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