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I was told that there was going to be an assesment of the damage by a vehicle repairer but I suppose that if the result was that the driver would be ok, this would have been cut from the programme.

TBH I'm glad it wasn't cut, and drivers can see what will happen to them. :sad:

On a different track how many Limos will meet EC Vehicle Type Approval? :?

If I read things right they have till 2009 if using PH regs and 2012 if using PSV regs. :wink:

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You clearly don't have a clue what you are talking about. There are brand new limos being imported into the UK all the time and although I don't have any figures I would guess that the vast majority of limos being imported in the last couple of years have been 3 years old or less.
I was at Ascot on ladies day and I would guess that at least 35% of all the limos there were less than 3 years old and a further 50% would be less than 8 years old.
Take another look at the pictures of the crash test. The front of the limo "crumpled" just as it is designed to do. There was no indication on the programme or any pictures to show what the drivers compartment was like after the test. There was not even a mention of what would have happened to the driver. If you look under the bonnet of a limo you will see that the engine does not sit in front of the driver so my guess is that the driver would have escaped serious injury but this would not make good news for the programme makers.
I was told that there was going to be an assesment of the damage by a vehicle repairer but I suppose that if the result was that the driver would be ok, this would have been cut from the programme.


I might know sod, but they are still a pile of junk.

I went to Limo show at Sandown two years ago and the place was full of sharks, not racehorses. It was all trashy and glitz.

I was at Ascot the first four days and saw a few mobile cesspits. Not oneof them was anywhere near new.

The positive for me was that I didn't see one customer using them that I would want in one of my cars. Trash for trash.

Look at those pictures again. There is no way a driver got out of that with legs intact.

The real worry for me is the damage that would be done to passengers.

What we need is to get these tanks into our licensing system and see how many survive.

I would insist on tachographs and speed limiters first.

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I would insist on tachographs and speed limiters first.

Something in the back of my mind is saying that all PSVs will need tachos by the end of the year.

Could someone please confirm or deny? :-k

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You clearly don't have a clue what you are talking about. There are brand new limos being imported into the UK all the time and although I don't have any figures I would guess that the vast majority of limos being imported in the last couple of years have been 3 years old or less.
I was at Ascot on ladies day and I would guess that at least 35% of all the limos there were less than 3 years old and a further 50% would be less than 8 years old.
Take another look at the pictures of the crash test. The front of the limo "crumpled" just as it is designed to do. There was no indication on the programme or any pictures to show what the drivers compartment was like after the test. There was not even a mention of what would have happened to the driver. If you look under the bonnet of a limo you will see that the engine does not sit in front of the driver so my guess is that the driver would have escaped serious injury but this would not make good news for the programme makers.
I was told that there was going to be an assesment of the damage by a vehicle repairer but I suppose that if the result was that the driver would be ok, this would have been cut from the programme.


I might know sod, but they are still a pile of junk.



I think we need say no more here as this part of your post says everything i thought in the first place about how your mindset is, its clear that to try and reason with a man that has this opinion and yet knows under his own sumission ( SOD ALL ABOUT THEM ) would be a total waste of time and effort, however as i have always said matey its your opinion and your more than entitled to it :wink:

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I would insist on tachographs and speed limiters first.

Something in the back of my mind is saying that all PSVs will need tachos by the end of the year.

Could someone please confirm or deny? :-k


Mr S this is indeed a subject which is in hot discussion at present on the limo forum and it basicly has a few factors to it, im led to believe that a lot of this is down to weight factors, Which to me would imply that most of the SUV's will be fiitted with tacos but most of the towncars would not be, however im prepared to accept im not 100% clear on this topic so please take it at face value until such times as someone can confirm or deny this post :wink:

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but most of the towncars would not be

Methinks that lot will have to be PH by 01/01/08. :wink:

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but most of the towncars would not be

Methinks that lot will have to be PH by 01/01/08. :wink:


This is just it mate we are still very much in a quandry but i hear on the grapevine that the 1 licence for all limos is drawing near as some people are working tirelessly for this and apparently the fruits of their efforts are drawing near, however like anything in this game i dont take it for granted!!!

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i hear on the grapevine that the 1 licence for all limos is drawing near as some people are working tirelessly for this and apparently the fruits of their efforts are drawing near.

Can't see that ever happening. [-(

Defining a Limo would be a nightmare, as opposed to a simple case of counting the seats.

Then who would enforce? Councils, VOSA, the Police?

I would put my house on councils enforcing less than 9 seats, and VOSA enforcing more than 8.

No matter how hard some in the Limo trade may lobby. :wink:

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Sussex wrote:
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i hear on the grapevine that the 1 licence for all limos is drawing near as some people are working tirelessly for this and apparently the fruits of their efforts are drawing near.

Can't see that ever happening. [-(

Defining a Limo would be a nightmare, as opposed to a simple case of counting the seats.

Then who would enforce? Councils, VOSA, the Police?

I would put my house on councils enforcing less than 9 seats, and VOSA enforcing more than 8.

No matter how hard some in the Limo trade may lobby. :wink:


Humm i see where your coming from and it will be interesting to see the eventuall outcome, But im not holding my breath as you know how slow the authorities are !!

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If a one license EVER came about which I doubt .How the FFFk could deturmin what is a limo and what is a 8 seat mini bus.. the glasses or the sound syestem.


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The present system of 8 seats and under being under the local authority and 9+ seats coming under VOSA should work but because some local authorities don't want to license limos even though the government have issued guidelines VOSA are the ones looking into the one license idea. I know that the European Limousine Association are in talks with them to look at the ways of implementing any system and I assume that the National Limousine Association are also in similar talks. As far as I am aware, any licensing system will cover limousines upto 16 seats only.

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If a one license EVER came about which I doubt .How the FFFk could deturmin what is a limo and what is a 8 seat mini bus.. the glasses or the sound syestem.


could also be based on GVW, overall length or the actual use it will be put to. i.e. advance bookings in writing (which would not be a problem for 99.99999% of limo bookings), or we might just find that sudenly all limo's have at least 9 seats and F****** the councils who didn't want thewm in the first place.

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some local authorities don't want to license limos even though the government have issued guidelines

Surely EC Vehicle Type Approval will stop any council (from 2009) licensing Limos even if they want to? :?

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So then Kermit. Name an operator who has purchased a brand new stretch limo and put it on the road in the UK?

I will look them up and ring and check.

It shouldn't be too difficult seeing there are so many of them around.

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As for new ones theres several around, in Plymouth alone i know of 2 companies that have at least nine 2 year old or less limos. I appreciate you clearly dont like limos and thats your choice but leave the bullcrap out of your postings FFS :wink:


Well well well TOM THUMB you clearly cant read can you!! Maybe its time you went to specsavers, as i have clearly printed and here it is again for you that i know of at least 2 companies with limos that are 2 years old or newer, 1 being Westcountry limos and 1 being All Stars limos, i have no problem with printing facts, you though on the other hand seem to have a problem with factual statements, whyt dont you preview your posts before you post them and read all p[osts properly that way you might just make some sort of sense in your argument, take a leaf out of Sussex's book at least he puts forward sensible debate with some thought behind it!!!!! Westcountry have 05 limos 2 years old and All stars have o6 vehicles 1 year old, Thats just the ones i can think of off the top of me head now do your worst matey as these are facts, although im not sure what your trying to acheive here apart from making yourself look a complete numpty :mrgreen:

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