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Dusty don't be stupid ...................... the cost of plate was not included in the comparison at any stage.

So your just trying to make claims that are not part of the allegation, statement or claim.

Still when the argument is lost you revert to items not relevant.

B. Lucky

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Skull on TDO

TF pi$$ed on his chips.

Well that means I'm clever rather than stupid then?



No, I'm stating the facts; if any analysis fails to mention the elephant in the room then that's its fault, not mine.

Of course, the elephant is a bit embarrassing in some quarters, which is presumably why you're calling me stupid for mentioning it.




You mean the GMB is like a headless chicken on the issue.

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So let's be generous and say that the average cab in Brighton is worth £10k.

And the plate's about £40k.

So a total cost of £50k to put a taxi on the road.

Yet GA thinks the £10k is relevant, but the £40k isn't.

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Firstly, I didn't write a in depth factually correct report on the issue of differing standards and the effect on the local trade of Brighton when tendering for school runs offered by Brighton and Hove Council which formed the basis of this entire argument.

Secondly, I cannot remember plate values being an issue previously within this thread ......................... maybe that is because both HC and PH vehicles are able to conduct school runs a factor which you haven't considered.

Now I maybe wrong but I don't think that PH numbers are restricted in Brighton, I don't think that PH vehicle licenses demand a premium ............. so thats why the cost of a HC plate is not relevant, and thats why I advised you not to be stupid.

B. Lucky

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TF pi$$ed on his chips.

There's no point trying to defend it one minute then disclaim responsibility for it the next



Did I mention PH? No, because the point I made only pertains to HC.




That's a bit like saying that if one driver has a wife and three kids to support but another driver is single then the cost of supporting the wife and three kids is irrelevant.

The GMB should really issue a press release pointing out that people buying a plate or being forced to run a WAV and not a saloon are being disadvantaged in cost terms.

But they won't do that, I wonder why?

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I'm trying to defend nothing Dusty ................... the fact is that when the original complaint was compiled it was factually correct. Further evidence has been supplied to support this viewpoint ................. you don't seem to like this evidence and so move the goalposts so that the HC plate premiums are included after over 100 posts on the issue.

Is it correct or not that the person who worte the original complaint was concerned with standards and not plate values (with regard this matter) .................. was the person who wrote the complaint not in fact a PH driver who was pi$$ed off that operators from outside his borough were able to tender for contracts offered by his licensing authority even though they didn't have to meet the criteria laid down by that authority, criteria that he had to meet.



You mentioned HC when the piece and complaints relate to PH as well as HC.



Sorry Dusty but did you read that before you pressed submit



Have you been drinking Dusty or is the heat getting to you .................... please try and keep the posts relevant to the threads.

B. Lucky

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Thanks for including an animation of how I'm feeling

B. Lucky

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TF pi$$ed on his chips.

Well you should be used to it by now.

It's quite simple - you started wittering on about the cost of running a vehicle in Brighton compared to elsewhere, and I pointed out the cost pertaining a taxi license, then you lost the plot.

I mean, to refute what I said about HC by saying that PH licences don't have to be bought is incredible - that's both stating the obvious and completely irrelevant.

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What type of vehicle is this discussion relating to.

It seems to me like its about the costs relating to the differing standards of the authorities concerned and not the costs relating to operating a HC as opposed to a PH vehicle in Brighton.

I would suggest that upon being presented with the actual facts you discovered that the allegations made by GMB members in Brighton were absolutely correct .............. and sought to change the argument so that you may be in a position to win it.



I refer the gentleman to the answer offered above.

B. Lucky

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TF pi$$ed on his chips.

I can't really recall contributing much to the standards issue.

But since you were making a big song and dance about COSTS then I thought I would remind you about the elephant in the room.

But since you say I've changed the argument to be in a position to win it then you're clearly conceding defeat on it, so that explains your ridiculous day is night and night is day comments above.

I know plate premiums are a sore point with you and the GMB, but you do your self no favours by trying to pretend they don't exist and/or trying to blame others who raise the issue.

So perhaps you could turn your attention to the premium issue now, since I've left the standards issue to those know best about them, and it ain't me.

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Of course the cost of HC plates is relevant when discussing costs generally ............................. but this complaint was about standards and the costs incurred meeting those standards by the whole trade in a specific area.

The complaint was borne form a PH driver, who hadn't incurred the extra cost of a plate and I believe the motivation behind his original complaint was based upon the standards he had to meet compared with others who were still able to compete for school contracts offered by his licensing authority, even though they or their vehicles didn't have to comply with the stricter regime of the authority offering the contracts to tender.

You have had a go at everyone concerned, yet you have not apportioned any blame onto the person who made the original allegation, even though I know you would have had a better knowledge than most of the basis of the argument.

Now I'm not saying that the original complaint was wrong and I'm not saying that anything that has come to light since is wrong ............... the situation seems to be as described in the original complaint a complaint was as justified now as was when it was first made.

Don't you agree

B. Lucky

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TF pi$$ed on his chips.

Hallelujah



OK, so I should have mentioned plate premiums at the kick off, but if no one else mentioned them you should be praising me for being the only one to state the obvious, not criticising me.





I daresay the driver has raised the premium issue on plenty of other occassions

And the other point is that this is clearly an issue that since it's clearly an issue that the GMB doesn't like aired then I was doing us all a favour including it in their arguments.

So why not criticise the GMB for airbrushing the issue out of the debate rather than slagging me?

Says it all, innit?



I've had a go at EVERYONE concerned?

What a piece of nonsense.

Rather, I think the whole carry on came about because the GMB had a go at EVERYONE in the licensing areas criticised, whereas if they'd been a bit more selective then they might have even got some credit for raising the issue.




I refer the dishonourable gentleman to the reply I gave some moments ago.

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Ok then Dusty ............. you obviously believe that there is undoubted relevance to the cost of a HC plate.

The problem is that the complaint was written by a PH driver in Brighton who was complaining that because of higher standards he had to meet he was finding it increasingly difficult to compete with drivers from outside his area who didn't have to meet the same standards ........................ even though the contracts he was tendering for were being offered for tender by the local authority who also issued his licenses.

What you are suggesting is that he should be complaining because he doesn't have to pay for his vehicles plate ............ which is by the way an absolute outrage ............... I mean why should he be able to tender for the same contracts as his HC brothers who have paid all that money for their plates is that what your saying Dusty ..... is it?

The fact remains that you have no real reason to berate either my opinions or the actions of the GMB in that region .................. or indeed Sussex's sterling work in presenting this very case to the leader of Brighton Council in such a way that action was taken ................... you've included the plate value issue to suit your argument ............... as I have stated quite clearly before the value of a HC plate is of no relevance in this particular argument.

B. Lucky

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TF pi$$ed on his chips.

If what you're saying is that I think the thing is a mess as regards a level playing field then yes, that's precisely what I'm saying.

I mean, even in Brighton itself, some drivers have paid tens of thousands for a plate, some got them gratis or nearly so, some are renting vehicle at vastly inflated sums, some are forced to run WAVs, some prefer to do PH instead, some run excellent cars while some aren't so good.

And that's just Brighton, and most of the above relates to just the restricted numbers issue, but when we start comparing other areas then there's age limits and all that to consider. I mean, even apart from the standards issue, a driver plating a car in unrestricted Lewes can easily afford to undercut a driver putting the same car on in Brighton, because the latter has a £40k loan to fund.

And since you're often going on about how much PH have to pay offices to be able to work your point about PH in Brighton having an unfair advantage as compared to HC doesn't really hold water.

I can't really see the problem with including the premium issue in this thread, particularly as you won't address the issue in others, which is why you're clearly so parnoid about me raising it.

Since you clearly have a problem with level playing fields then that's presumably why you're in the GMB. Me, I'm all for the level playing field.

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