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I notice that T!tty Taylor and Tw4tty Thomson are remarkably quiet on this issue.

They have called for many people to reveal themselves when they see the poster as opposing their views, and refuse to "debate" until the person does so, yet feel no need to know the identity of the owners or admins of this site, not any of their little get-along gang who pipe up in their support. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

As for accountability - no one is anonymous as the owners of this site know. They and their ISP are potentially liable for everything written here, hence the reason several threads have been discretely removed.

And for those who don't believe me ask JD about case law from 2000 regarding Demon Internet and Dr Lawrence Godfrey and more recently last year with UKIP candidate Michael Keith-Smith and Tracey Williams.

And remember server location is no protection :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

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I notice that T!tty Taylor and Tw4tty Thomson are remarkably quiet on this issue.

They have called for many people to reveal themselves when they see the poster as opposing their views, and refuse to "debate" until the person does so, yet feel no need to know the identity of the owners or admins of this site, not any of their little get-along gang who pipe up in their support. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

As for accountability - no one is anonymous as the owners of this site know. They and their ISP are potentially liable for everything written here, hence the reason several threads have been discretely removed.

And for those who don't believe me ask JD about case law from 2000 regarding Demon Internet and Dr Lawrence Godfrey and more recently last year with UKIP candidate Michael Keith-Smith and Tracey Williams.

And remember server location is no protection :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:


Does JD still contribute to the TODA bulletins in Manchester? His grasp of the law is legend there.

I haven't seen one in years so perhaps www.taxiownersmanchester.co.uk is only just re-introducing these handy bulletins?

The bulletin I have shows one of John Davies early attempts at pontificating. Not as good as he is now though!!


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Blimey Mr John T, JD will be very impressed that you have looked him up in the past. :roll: :roll:

Maybe even honored. :D

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Blimey Mr John T, JD will be very impressed that you have looked him up in the past. :roll: :roll:

Maybe even honored. :D


I doubt it as he has moved onwards and upwards since the old days!!! Maybe he prefers to forget the past? :wink: :wink:


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They have called for many people to reveal themselves when they see the poster as opposing their views, and refuse to "debate" until the person does so, yet feel no need to know the identity of the owners or admins of this site....


How do you know they don't. :roll:

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As for accountability - no one is anonymous as the owners of this site know. They and their ISP are potentially liable for everything written here, hence the reason several threads have been discretely removed.


Nice to see that you're such an avid reader Mr Casualty. :D

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And for those who don't believe me ask JD about case law from 2000 regarding Demon Internet and Dr Lawrence Godfrey and more recently last year with UKIP candidate Michael Keith-Smith and Tracey Williams.


Yes, yes, yes, we've been through all that umpteen times, so perhaps you aren't such an avid reader after all? :)

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TornCasualty wrote:

As for accountability - no one is anonymous as the owners of this site know. They and their ISP are potentially liable for everything written here, hence the reason several threads have been discretely removed.

And for those who don't believe me ask JD about case law from 2000 regarding Demon Internet and Dr Lawrence Godfrey and more recently last year with UKIP candidate Michael Keith-Smith and Tracey Williams.


I would hope anyone who has read this website for any length of time will be aware of the legalities appertaining to defamation and libel etc.

I think there are ways to articulate your point without placing yourself in a tenuous legal position and most people on here do articulate extremely well. The position of TDO is that it doesn't see much point arguing with its service provider over a few words displayed on a computer screen, for the simple fact that whatever point the poster was trying to make, can be made again, albeit in different terminology. Therefore although TDO doesn't take an active roll in moderating posts before they are posted, if their service provider asked TDO to remedy a complaint then, that is what TDO will do.

Dusty explained the development with Mr. Alan G of Fastblacks quite adequately and TDO didn't remove the thread in question until their provider asked them to. TDO was not convinced that the comments in the thread amounted to defamation or libel and even though Mr. Alan G asked TDO to remove the thread we declined to do so until such time we were supplied with good reason for doing so. Mr. Alan G refused to submit a good reason and failed to inform us of what grounds he based his request. under those circumstances there was no foundation for removing the thread. The only reason the thread was removed was because Mr. Alan G wrote to the TDO service provider and it was at their request we remedied the situation.

The solution for TDO was simple and it will always remain simple because as I said, "words are only words", which can be articulated in many ways and have many meanings. Reading the past comments on this forum it would appear that many people including me have a low opinion of Mr. Alan G and yourself and that stems from what you have written. I suppose you reap what you sow when you decide to put your thoughts into written comments?

Although many might consider Mr. Alan G and perhaps yourself a pair of insignificant buffoons, TDO will always ask for an explanation of why any offending text should be removed, especially if it falls into the category of ambiguity?

It’s good to see you've been researching TDO.

It was TDO who first highlighted the cases you mention but there are other cases which you haven't mentioned that are equally important, so besides those cases we highlighted on TDO, perhaps you can advise us of the other equaly important cases that exist yet you fail to mention? Or perhaps you would prefer TDO to remind you what those cases are?


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TDO as a basis for research - you must be delusional. It's a online public forum where lots of anonymous people post their version of the truth. I believe very little of what's written here, and anyone who does, is a fool.

Generally my posts here have been to attack those two buffoons Taylor and Thomson, and occassionally Sussex and the yah bah sucks supporters club just for sport.

Serious debate would be nice, but it just never happens, it inevitably degenerates into playground name calling, and normally without my help.

The two cases " first highlighted" by TDO - I think not. I'll think you'll find that the BBC and reputable national newspapers are a far better source of facts. Those two came to my mind as I'd read about them in other places. strange to believe but TDO is not my primary source of news :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Stop believing your own hype - TDO is just a place where taxi drivers and PHC drivers come to gossip in a national electronic style as oppossed to the old way of gossiping on ranks.

Glad one of you got something right - I'm not an avid reader :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Yes, Mr Casualty, there's all sorts of stuff on here, from the gossip to the more advanced stuff, but since you're probably incapable of appreciating the latter, your conclusions aren't really surprising. :lol:

As for the nonsense about the BBC etc, JD was clearly talking in the taxi context, so if you have to point out to people that TDO is a bit behind the BBC then that's perhaps saying something.

But it's horses for courses - guess which site LAs, and bodies like the NCC and the BBC itself have used for researching the taxi trade?

And I'll give you a clue - it ain't the GMBPDB forum :D

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But it's horses for courses - guess which site LAs, and bodies like the NCC and the BBC itself have used for researching the taxi trade?

And I'll give you a clue - it ain't the GMBPDB forum :D[/quote]

It certainly explains the stupidity of some of their Reports and conclusions

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It certainly explains the stupidity of some of their Reports and conclusions


Well they wanted to know how many councils had a policy of quantity control. I don't suppose they could get that information from the NTA do you? And they certainly couldn't get it from the T&G so I suppose they went to the most obvious place, which is TDO, lol.

Conclusions of the OFT and the NCC are unlikely to sit well with you, simply because their first consideration is for the public.

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It certainly explains the stupidity of some of their Reports and conclusions


Well they wanted to know how many councils had a policy of quantity control. I don't suppose they could get that information from the NTA do you? And they certainly couldn't get it from the T&G so I suppose they went to the most obvious place, which is TDO, lol.

Conclusions of the OFT and the NCC are unlikely to sit well with you, simply because their first consideration is for the public.

Regards

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Surely you mean they're only consideration is for the public, the same as your only consideration is what is best for the driver, neither of them work singularly .

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Yes, Mr Casualty, there's all sorts of stuff on here, from the gossip to the more advanced stuff, but since you're probably incapable of appreciating the latter, your conclusions aren't really surprising. :lol:

As for the nonsense about the BBC etc, JD was clearly talking in the taxi context, so if you have to point out to people that TDO is a bit behind the BBC then that's perhaps saying something.

But it's horses for courses - guess which site LAs, and bodies like the NCC and the BBC itself have used for researching the taxi trade?

And I'll give you a clue - it ain't the GMBPDB forum :D


Advanced stuff :roll: - you mean advanced name calling and advanced threatening from the dynamic duds T & T :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

As you state JD was talking in the taxi context and so I'm afraid was I. This is a forum with an agenda - not an impartial news source on any level, and sourcing "information" from here is hardly great journalism or report writing, they (hopefully - pity help us if they use for facts) only use it as source of disparate opinions by a few vocal gossips :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Remember the tools JD uses to gather the "news stories" he posts from around the country are also available to the professional news gathering operations and on a far more sophisticated level, so don't think that they come here for those :-o :-o :-o :-o :-o :-o :-o :-o :-o :-o

As for the GMB site - never even visited it - not that interested in yet another clique with an agenda :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

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So which individual, trade publication or forum doesn't have an agenda?

Your gripe isn't this site having an agenda Mr Casualty, it's that it doesn't concur with your own - you're SO transparent :lol:

And as usual your posts are more smilies than substance, so I think I'll join you for a moment to keep you company

:D :) :sad: :-o :shock: :? 8) :lol: :x :P :oops: :cry: :evil: :twisted: :roll: :wink: :?: :-| :mrgreen: eusasmiles.zip

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So which individual, trade publication or forum doesn't have an agenda?

Your gripe isn't this site having an agenda Mr Casualty, it's that it doesn't concur with your own - you're SO transparent :lol:

And as usual your posts are more smilies than substance, so I think I'll join you for a moment to keep you company

:D :) :sad: :-o :shock: :? 8) :lol: :x :P :oops: :cry: :evil: :twisted: :roll: :wink: :?: :-| :mrgreen: eusasmiles.zip


But I never said that having an agenda was bad - what I do object to is the portraying of this site as a source for FACTS - it's not - it's a site for opinions, and on that at last we agree on two things.

This site isn't factual - it follows an agenda AND smilies are cool 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)

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It's actually for FACTS AND OPINIONS ie just anything else of this genre, whether it be the BBC, The Times, trade magazines and Fastblacks.

Thus I don't see what you're getting on your high horse about, but it seems to me that it's because you don't like some of the facts and opinions that are expressed on here.

The truth will out!

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