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Just so that you know.

Darlington is 95.14 miles from Berwick.

It would take 2 hrs and 19 minutes to drive there.

What exactly do you want JD .............. do you want the name and address of the plateholder ............... why? what would you do with that information?

I think your just trying to conduct another witch-hunt ............... I have stated that HC vehicles have been sighted working in Wales, the Licensing Officer at Berwick has stated that enquiries had been recieved from Mid Wales a fact that has been reported on another forum.

The simple fact that Berwick seem to not concern themselves with where the vehicles that they licence are working should also concern you ......................... that is if you have even the mildest wish for there to be quality standards within our industry.

The truth of the matter is that you want National plates, and if you can show evidence of one council issuing, or being able to issue all the licenses for the entire country then it would make your case for Nationally granted licenses easier to argue for.

Come on JD .................. your just pi$$ed off because you realise I'm to old a cat to be $hagged by a kitten ....................... this is hair on my head sunshine not fookin wool.

B. Lucky

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TF pi$$ed on his chips.

I suppose that's significantly closer than the 421.5 miles from Swansea in South Wales, to Berwick upon tweed?

Are you going to inform us why you made the untrue statement or just prevaricate like you normally do?

You wrote this in a magazine which will remain a deliberate lie until such time you substantiate it.

Berwick upon Tweed plates have been seen working under PH contracts as far away as South Wales.

It isn't too dificult for you to divulge the evidence which prompted you to make that proclamation, is it? Or is it a secret known only to yourself which you expect the rest of us to take for granted just because Mick Pollard of the GMBU said so?

You don't feel obliged to substantiate what amounts to irresponsible claims but your inability to do so will not be lost on anyone reading this forum.

It is pretty obvious the Editor of the magazine who published this lie isn't concerned about the facts either, so in that respect I suppose you both deserve each other.

The illogical absurdity of a person travelling 840 miles to obtain a hackney carriage license when there are an abundance of derestricted authorities within pizzing distance of South Wales, is ludicrous.

I suppose you or Mr Mite contacted the Berwick LO and asked him if they licensed a Hackney carriage driver living in South Wales? And I suppose he said no they don't. You then thought, faack this why spoil a good story, I'll invent one. I think that's about the top and bottom of it.

"I think we would all agree that it would be nice if you concentrated on what you said" and provide evidence to back up your claim that Berwick upon Tweed plates have been seen working under PH contracts as far away as South Wales.

Then again perhaps I should leave you in your own make believe fantasy world because as per usual you can't substantiate your accusation therefore we shall have to chalk it up as another combined Mick Pollard and Tony Mite intentional misrepresentation.

And by the way, the AA say its 7 hours from Swansea to Berwick upon tweed and 7 hours back again.

Regards

JD

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I'll make it again JD ..................... A Hackney Carriage Vehicle Licenced in Berwick upon Tweed has been seen working in Wales.

and again ......................A Hackney Carriage Vehicle Licenced in Berwick upon Tweed has been seen working in Wales.


I'll substanciate that statement by quoting Mr David Wilson of Berwick upon Tweed Council who stated "Word is spreading. We are processing applications from all over the North and we are expecting an application from Mid-Wales", in a statement made in May of this year.

Word is spreading .............. what do you think he means by that JD .............. accepting applications from all over the North ................. yeah from people previously licensed as PH (a deregulated market) BECAUSE THE FEE'S BERWICK COUNCIL CHARGE FOR THEIR LICENSES ARE SIGNIFICANTLY LESS THAN MOST OTHER AREAS. As well as new applicants who cannot pass the locality test in the area they wish to work and so get a Hackney Carriage Licence from an area with no locality or local knowledge test which allows them to work in any area of England or Wales under a PH contract through a licensed PH operator.



Why don't you add Mick Pollard of Blockbuster, Birtley Snooker Club and Newcastle Labour Club as I am also a member of these.



Yeah JD ...................... thats why you've got all the others clammering for an exlaination ..................... what I heard has been substanciated through the Statutory Register ..................... I suggest you pop upto Berwick and get yourself a copy, as I had to do.



Didn't Mr Mite discover how insane you actually are and kicked you off his magazine .................... your verbal assault stinks of sour grapes



For the thrid or fourth time JD the reason for peoples applications for licenses from other areas is NOT ABOUT GETTING A HACKNEY PLATE its about NOT HAVING TO DO A LOCALITY TEST or PAYING LESS IN FEE'S



No you sado ................. I refer you to my first comment and the quote from Mr David Wilson of Berick upon Tweed Council.



Evidence is apparent within the statutory register of Berick upon Tweed Council. As well as a statement from Mr David Wilson of Berwick upon Tweed Council which was very clear that applications were expected from Mid-Wales which suggests that enquiries have been made.


Ah I see so it was a quote from Press Cuttings Monthly then .............. although we only have to assume that cause you haven't got the balls to come out and say it.

Now JD, if you would like to come up here I will gladly take you and show you HC from Berwick working in areas other than Berwick ............... I will also introduce you to Newcastle PH drivers who didn't renew their PH vehicle licenses in Newcastle because they could licence with Berwick as a HC for significantly less YET CONTINUE TO WORK FROM THE SAME OFFICES.

Now off you go and put together your little plan to get one licensing regieme to cover the whole country ............... using the evidence that Berwick are willing and capable of licensing EVERY VEHICLE USED BY PH OPERATORS.
Oh and when are you going to introduce to everyone the fact that an operator or agent taking bookings for Hackney Carriages has no requirement to be licensed.

Do you need the number for Berwick Council ................ don't forget speak to Mr David Wilson ....................... aye like thats going to happen.

B. Lucky

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TF pi$$ed on his chips.

I notice that you fail to have quoted a paragraph from the same piece which said



Maybe you would be forthcoming with an explanation as to why you failed AGAIN to quote what people say entirely ................ is this because you are incapable of debating issues and choose to pick on a specific sentence which could substantiate your flawed arguments while you undertake your own personal agenda and witch-hunt against those who are capable of exposing you for what you really are.

B. Lucky

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TF pi$$ed on his chips.

I have just noticed that the comments made by you were taken from a thread which originated on TDO back in June. You failed to susbstantiate your facts back then so what chance do we have of you substantiating them now?

http://www.taxi-driver.co.uk/phpBB2/vie ... php?t=6316



For the sake of accuracy this is what you said.

I think there is more to this than meets the eye ...Berwick upon Tweed plates have been seen working under PH contracts as far away as South Wales.



Ah! So you blame David Wilson for your misrepresentation of the facts? I'm sure he will be most pleased.

You said

Berwick upon Tweed plates have been seen working under PH contracts as far away as South Wales.

I don't see Mr Wilson saying that, do you? In fact I don't see Mr Wilson mentioning "South Wales", do you? I also don't see him mentioning that Berwick upon Tweed plates have been seen working in South Wales, do you?

What I do see him saying is that he might possibly receive an application from Mid Wales. Now whether or not he actually said that is another matter but possibly expecting an aplication from "Mid Wales" is not the same as you saying Berwick upon Tweed plates have been seen working under PH contracts as far away as South Wales. Therefore you cannot be so corrupt as to attribute words to David Wilson that came from your mouth and not his.



The reason I refer to the name "Mick Pollard" is because that is precisely who the magazine refers to. I suppose the mention of one Mr Mick Pollard in association with the GMBU is meant to be a form of legitimisation of the statement. Therefore I am addressing my criticism at comments made by Mr Mick Pollard, considering he is the one responsible.



I'm sure everyone is wondering why you put an untrue statement into a magazine? However you probably convinced yourself that it was true and therefore having no difficulty in convincing yourself you thought it would be just as easy to convince everyone else? lol



Is that what Mr Mite told you? If so then I can assure you he is a liar and whatsmore you are a fool for believing him.



I see, lol. Are you suggesting Berwick is the nearest licensing authority to South Wales that doesn't require a knowledge test? If Berwick did have a knowledge test then it wouldn't be much use to a driver working private hire in South Wales, would it? Therefore you can't blame Berwick for the legislation that allows a hackney to work anywhere in England and Wales under the 1847 and 1976 acts as a private hire.

Instead of banging your head against a brick wall with councils you dislike perhaps your time might be better spent concentrating your talents on the real issue, namely legislation.





In the comments you posted from David Wilson I don't see a reference suggesting that he licensed a hackney carriage driver with a South Wales address, do you?

When driving a cab the only relevance is that of a licensed driver, licensed owners are immaterial and cannot drive or work a cab unless they have a drivers badge, therefore it will be interesting to see if Berwick have a registered driver living in South Wales.



Good, I suspect you can tell us how many current hackney carriage licensed drivers of Berwick live and work in South Wales and how and when you drew the conclusion that they do work in South Wales?



Well according to you Mr Wilson said one application might be forthcoming from Mid Wales, he did not say he already had one. Doesn't one application amount to just a single application and not the multiple instances you referred to when you said.

Berwick upon Tweed plates have been seen working under PH contracts as far away as South Wales.







You obviously have a distinct dislike for the law and because you cannot change the law to suit your whim you revert to making unfounded allegations of both drivers and licensing regimes.

You also fail to comprehend the basic distinction between bylaws and conditions made under section 47.



Well these people are quite entitled to do what they want so you better get used to it until such time it is unlawful.

I'm glad you pointed out it is ex Newcastle private drivers who have taken their preferred option of being licensed under Berwick, rather than Newcastle. This proves they have previously passed their Newcastle private hire knowledge test and inflicts on you an own goal considering that one of your main arguments against cross border hiring is the lack of a local knowledge test.

The issue is not about hackney drivers working as private hire drivers outwith their local licensing authority, this particular issue is about you making false statements yet again.

Reverting back to the original thread on TDO where you were miserably exposed for not understanding the diferrence between bylaws and conditions of license under section 47 along with your inability to substantiate your statement in respect of South Wales, really should have been a salutary lesson in misplaced comprehension of the subject you were trying to discredit.

I suppose you will forever be in self denial of the fact that you ever said these immortal words Berwick upon Tweed plates have been seen working under PH contracts as far away as South Wales.

And it will probably rankle you even more, knowing that you will never be able to substantiate what you put into print. I would call that a double whammy.

Regards

JD

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Short memory have we? We discussed this issue in June during which time you wrote that particular misguided contribution on June 13.

You were asked to substantiate your claims back then but you wouldn't for obvious reasons, we therefore ask ourselves what has changed? The answer to that is nothing has changed, not surprisingly, you are still peddling the same old lie to anyone who will listen.



If you make accusations you can't substantiate then the most logical thing to do is not make them in the first place. You have a habit of making wild accusations which come back to haunt you, I have no doubt that one day they will be your undoing, if they haven't already? As for debating an issue, I think everyone knows that your quality of debate is hindered by your self denial of the truth, stroke facts, even after the facts have been proven beyond all reasonable doubt.

People might think better of you if you think before you open your mouth and once having done that you make sure that what comes out of your mouth is accurate and factual and not just wild unsubstantiated allegations.

You have to realise that people reading magazines and other forms of media just might be a little brighter than you give them credit for?

Regards

JD

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So are you saying that HC vehicles licensed in one area ARE NOT working in another?

Are you saying that people are licensing HC in deregulated areas and then working in regulated areas because the can't get HC vehicles in the areas they want to work?



What facts on this issue specifically have you proven JD?
Have you spoken to the LO of Berwick?
Have you got a copy of the Statutory Register?

Do you know personally someone who has re licensed in Berwick?

The truth is something that you do not recognise, that is if it conflicts with a crusade you are undertaking.



I stand by my statements on this and other issues, anyone can check the information, its easily available.

The issue has been extensively covered by a North East Regional Taxi Magazine called Upfront, their website is www.upfrontmag.co.uk with comments from drivers in all areas concerned.



Oh I know that JD, thats why I ask them to ask questions of anyone offering free advice ........................ especially when that advice comes from an anonymous source.

I don't come on here to educate people or force issues, I come on here to learn and learn from people who have different experiences.

I learn something new every day ........................ when was the last time you learned something Mr Know it all.

B. Lucky

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TF pi$$ed on his chips.

You know full well that I and everyone else who reads this website is fully aware of the law regarding the licensing of Hackney carriages. The fact remains that you appear to be oblivious to the fact that a hackney carriage licensed in one area is doing nothing wrong if it works under a contract of private hire in another area.

You made a statement that Berwick Hackney "carriages" and I place the emphasis on the plural, had been seen working as private hire vehicles in South Wales. You failed to justify your accusation with any relevant fact other than comments purported to be made by the licensing officer that an application may be forthcoming from Mid Wales. It's not the fact that a vehicle licensed in Berwick might be working under private conditions in Wales or anywhere else for that matter, the point as far as I'm concerned is your reference to the the word "Vehicles" which suggests there is more than one. If you had stated in your original response "that you believed there is a Berwick licensed hackney carriage vehicle working in Wales then I wouldn't have been remotely concerned about the accuracy except to perhaps ask you if that was illegal?

The problem I have is that you freely bandy about the word "Vehicles" as though everyone in Wales and the rest of the UK is turning to Berwick for vehicle and driver licensing.

Private hire vehicle age policies differ throughout the country and where an owner of a private hire vehicle feels aggrieved at having to change his perfectly mechanically sound vehicle because of nothing more than a stringent age policy then it is not beyond the realms of man to avail themselves of other legal remedies at their disposal. The policy of any one individual council is not to blame for the practice of shopping around for the best deal, it is the fault of current legislation. We on TDO have always been at pains to highlight the fact that Taxi legislation is outdated and requires a complete new act but it is people like you who want to stay stuck in the 19th century time warp that has brought the current situation on themselves and whatsmore, both you and Newcastle council don't have any legal answers to the present situation.

Regards

JD

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My statement was actually that Hackney Carriages Licensed in Berwick upon Tweed have been seen working under Private Hire Contracts as far away as Wales.

My statement is wholly accurate, and the fact that you conceed that if I had said that A HC from Berwick was seen working in Wales then you would have not raised issue regarding my comment shows clearly that you have attempted to discredit me personally.

You constant mis-quotes should really be appologised for, but you will not conceed that your have conducted a witch-hunt to destroy my personal credibility for reasons best know to yourself.

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I fully understand that this practice is legal, but I believe that the law should be changed, in the same way and for the same reasons as S75 .................... something which you agreed with and supported.

Your reluctance to back calls to outlaw this practice should really be the main question in this debate, as these are vehicles not licensed within the area they are working and therefore are operating within a loophole in the law, and that loophole should be closed .................. as S75.

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I don't see what else I can add to this argument .................... I have offered names of people within Berwick Council who I'm sure will be willing to answer any questions anyone would care to raise about their licensing function.

I have answered every question raised, even though JD continues to change questions (and sometimes even answers) I believe that enough discussion has taken place to allow everyone to make up their own minds.

B. Lucky

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TF pi$$ed on his chips.

Your original statement word for word is as follows and there is no getting away from it.

Berwick upon Tweed plates have been seen working under PH contracts as far away as South Wales.

There is only one person in the whole of Wales licensed as a Berwick hackney carriage driver. Therefore your statement as I implied is inaccurate in so far that you stated Berwick "plates" have been seen working under PH conditions. Therefore only one Berwick plate can be seen working under private hire conditions in Wales and you should correct your insinuation which implied there are more than one.

Having squared that circle you still owe an explanation for your allegation that this particular vehicle is working in contravention of Berwick bylaws. You failed to do that in the previous thread perhaps you can enlighten us now?



Your statement is still inaccurate and will remain inaccurate until you concede the fact that there is only one person living in Wales who is licensed by Berwick as a hackney carriage driver and you obviously haven't got a clue where that authority is?

Regards

JD

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Ah so there is a HC licensed from Berwick working in Wales.

But you said.



So now your admitting that I was right, thank you.

B. Lucky

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TF pi$$ed on his chips.

I think it would be interesting for JD to advise us as to whether he agrees with this practice.

Oh we all know that its legal, but so was using a unlicensed vehicle under S75 and we all know how against that practice he was.

The issue needs to be resolved .................. and I believe that this activity should be outlawed.

B. Lucky

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TF pi$$ed on his chips.

I never claimed any specific number .............. I stated " as far away as" which formed the boundry of my statement, it also serves to cover all areas of a lesser distance such as Newcastle, North Tyneside, Gateshead, Darlington etc etc.

I know its hard for you to appologise, to anyone .................... particularly me ....................... but I think that I deserve one on this occasion.

Won't hold me breath though.

B. Lucky

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TF pi$$ed on his chips.

It may have escaped your notice but at no time have I ever said that a hackney carriage licensed in Berwick does not work private hire in Wales.

I asked you to provide evidence to back up your statement that Berwick hackney "carriages" and again I emphasise "carriages" in the plural as you did in your original allegation, were seen working in "South Wales".

You couldn't provide that evidence because you didn't have a clue just where in Wales such a person operated, all you had was a second hand opinion from some bod in Newcastle who had got their hands on a copy of the Berwick licensing register, which incidentally was given to Newcastle council. You still don't have a clue where the one person operates or even know why they obtained a license from Berwick?



I don't see anything in that statement which says there are no licensed Berwick drivers working private hire in Wales, do you? If so perhaps you can point out where?

What I do see, is me making it quite clear to you, that a proprietors name on a register is meaningless without knowing if the proprietor also holds a hackney carriage drivers license. I also made reference to the fact that because of the many unrestricted authorities in Wales, why would anyone wish to travel all the way to Berwick to obtain a license to work private hire in Wales?

I specifically made a point of not stating there is no licensed Berwick Driver working in Wales, for the simple reason that it wasn't entirely out of the question. The fact that you implied there is more than one driver working South Wales is totally innacurate and untrue.



On the contrary, you are manifestly wrong until such time you remedy the fact that there is only person working in Wales and not the multitude of drivers to which you inferred.

Regards

JD

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He won't let a little thing like being wrong, or looking silly get in his way

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