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Your right gusmac ...................... I won't hold my breath waiting for an appology.

The fact that I stated that HC vehicles licensed by Berwick upon Tweed are working as far away as South Wales ........................ and the fact that the mighty and all knowing JD called me a liar seems to have been forgotten by him even though he has admitted that a vehicle licensed by Berwick Council is registered to a address in Wales.

I think he struggles with the words "as far away as" which is unlike him ................... but as normal he changes the words or suggests alternative meanings.

I believe he has lost the plot ..................... I believe he is so enraged that anyone dare question him that a simple thing like the truth doesn't even get in the way.

I think I've defended myself honestly, the statement I made represented the facts but JD has launched his attack ................... he made it personal .............. he tried to discredit me (as he tried with CC) ................. and again he failed.

B. Lucky

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TF pi$$ed on his chips.

I meant you, GA.

Also, have either of you considered that the welsh owner may be an "absentee landlord" who's motor isn't working in Wales?

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Liar.



one or a thousand ????????????? what does as far away as mean?

Liar



Statutory Registers are held and are available from Berwick Councils Offices and from Berwick Library, the document is also available from Northumberland County Offices. not some bod then ............... from the council direct.

Where the person operates is of no consequence as the driver could work the vehicle anywhere in Wales or England come to that, but I know that it isn't fookin Berwick.



As you are so keen to correct peoples English ................ could you explain what you mean by "Even if such an owner existed" if you knew the person actually existed?



What are you going on about, we've explained the cost issue, we've explained the "locality test" issue



You are joking ..................... on more than one occasion you called me a liar for suggesting that a person living in Wales would or had licensed a HC with Berwick upon Tweed Council .................. indeed you asked me to prove that point ............. a point you considered to be a lie.



Multitude ..................... the fact is that you have lost the argument and are now struggling to come up with anything that makes any sense in your crusade to discredit me.

Within this thread you have called me a liar and now it has been proved (by yourself) that what I said was correct you squirm around instead of admitting that on this (even rare) occasion you were wrong.

now stop crying like a child ...................... apologise .................... and we can get on with other things.

B. Lucky

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TF pi$$ed on his chips.

I was under the impression gusmac was referring to "you".

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JD

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I stand by my original statement .......................... the facts have been shown to be correct.

Berwick upon Tweed plates have been seen working as far away as South Wales.

B. Lucky

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TF pi$$ed on his chips.

And Tony Mite dumped JD

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So where is it working gusmac ????????

oh and while your thinking what possible reason could there be for a vehicle licenced in Berwick being owned by a person who resides in Wales yet being used in Berwick.
Bearing in mind that anyone living in Berwick can get a plate upon demand ............... and we cannot question their fitness or propriety as that person would need to have a HC driving licence.

I recon that good old JD's bottom jaw nearly hit the keyboard when he found out that a Berwick HC was registered to an address in Wales.

In simple terms those against me suggest that a HC would be licensed in an area over 200 miles away yet not used in the area of the holders residence.

And they think I sound silly.

B. Lucky

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There's no show without Punch ....................... hello Dusty ................ what do you think of this practice as a man with long history of promoting high standards?

B. Lucky

You see the thing is becoming more about JD trying not to have to apologise for calling me a liar and less to do with the disgraceful practice of councils not having control of vehicles working for hire and reward in their area.
But that's taxi-forums and people with inflated ego's for ya.

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TF pi$$ed on his chips.

Well I think we all consider the practice to be a nonsense, alebit a perfectly legal nonsense, and it also highlights the need for radical reform rather than the tinkering approach advocated by yourself

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The problem Dusty is that I'm not against a total reform.

What I want to see is important loopholes closed initially, therefore allowing for time to conduct a full legal reform.

I would imagine that a full reform of Taxi and Private Hire Licensing would take years to undertake ............. my fear is that the trade will be totally destroyed before the reforms are finished, agreed and implemented.

I have stated that I don't believe that the operation of a Hackney Carriage has changed since 1847 (or even before) and I stand by that statement ........................ the problems we all encounter are contained within the 1976 Act and 1985 Act where confusion is extended through ill thought out legislation.

The great witch-hunter needs to get a grip ............. and concentrate on issues rather than his personal crusades, including his attempt to discredit me.

I'm at a loss as to why he does this to anyone ..................... but he has done it to Wayne Casey (and changed the title of the thread), to Trevor Jones (and the thread had to be removed) and now to me ............... well I don't care what he writes about me, this may well be a good site Dusty but is read by less than 1% of the people some of us represent and others berate.

I do my best and I have achieved what I was sent out to achieve by my members ................ and this man claims I'm a fool. I remind you all ............. I'm just a fookin taxidriver.

B. Lucky

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I think we should once again examine your exact comments. You said this….

I think there is more to this than meets the eye .................. Berwick upon Tweed “plates” have been seen working under PH “contracts” as far away as South Wales.

I asked you to substantiate that claim and the only evidence you offered up was a reference to Berwick’s hackney carriage proprietors register that showed a proprietor entry for Wales.

Although you said “Berwick upon Tweed “plates” have been seen working under PH “contracts” as far away as South Wales” you had no way of knowing that, even though you were informed of such an entry in the proprietors register. All that register shows is the name of the owner, the type of vehicle, its age, the test date and name and address of the owner. Drawing an inference from those details is pure speculation.

It would appear you don’t have the name and address of the isolated owner in Wales otherwise you would have a good indication of where the owner/driver might work? So your reference to a sighting of a vehicle in South Wales was a lie from the very beginning because you obviously didn’t sight him and neither could you tell us who did sight him? The evidence from the register was the only evidence you could call upon to get you out of a hole and even though that register only records the limited details of the proprietor.

Your evidence was suspect and your accusation could not be confirmed other than the fact that you may have had knowledge of an entry in the proprietors register?

The fact that I had to prove the facts for myself today, after giving you every opportunity to substantiate them does you no credit whatsoever. You could have been straightforward and said look JD I was wrong in suggesting I or anyone else had seen Berwick plates working in South Wales but I do understand there is one entry in the hackney carriage proprietors register relating to a Welsh proprietor.

My scepticism that Berwick “plates” had been seen working in South Wales was well founded because seeing an activity taking place is entirely different than assuming an activity was taking place. The fact is, there is only one licensed hackney carriage presently working under private hire conditions in the whole of Wales and you obviously haven’t got a clue where it is? I suggest you ask the person who gave you the information about the register.

You then go on to say

The fact remains that these vehicles and drivers are working in contravention of their local by-laws

I pointed out in the June thread that you were somewhat confused between bylaws and conditions of license under section 47. However I’m not going to nail you to the floor a second time as that would be bordering on cruelty to animals. However you repeated the accusation again in the magazine we all love to hate so you couldn’t have learnt any lessons from your original failure to understand the difference between bylaws and conditions?

In respect of the terms I used when relating to Wales it should not have escaped your notice that I specifically on occasions referred to “Wales” and “South Wales” the reason for this is obvious because although I was sceptical about your claim in respect of South Wales I had no such illusions when it came to Wales as a whole. That is why I never stated there are no Berwick licensed vehicles in Wales or even South Wales. What I did was ask you to substantiate your statement. This you could not do only to refer to a register of hackney carriage proprietors. Hardly evidence when you consider the proprietor details are irrelevant and it is the driver details that are relevant.

The remainder of your statement on this issue is meaningless because you cannot comprehend that the law is the law and your continual reference to legal “LOOPHOLE” just highlights your ignorance of the law. A legal loophole is an area in the law that is insufficiently explicit or comprehensive therefore allowing the law to be circumvented. The mistake you make is the fact that the 1847 act came before the 1976 act and the 1976 act was never designed to regulate hackney carriages in a way that prevented them from undertaking private hire contracts. If the 1976 act was enacted with that in mind it would have made provisions for it. However the 1976 act goes out of its way to exempt hackney carriages licensed under the 1847 act and also those London cabs licensed under their various acts, from having to comply with the conditions set for private hire vehicles, drivers and owners.

So there is no loophole in the law and there never has been because legislation for hackney carriages is entirely different to legislation of private hire vehicles, except where specifically stated.

There endeth your lesson in the law.

Regards

JD

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So JD what your saying is that my statement was a lie and your basing that accusation on the fact that I referred to the circumstances in the plural?

The fact that I started my statement with the words as far away as doesn't suggest to you that South Wales would have been the furthest point away from Berwick that a HC vehicle had been sighted.

Of course I didn't say at any point that I had had personal sight of either the vehicle or its location, however when I received a report from a colleague in South Wales I consulted Berwicks Statutory Register to confirm that the vehicle was in fact properly registered as a HC with Berwick Council.

To be honest it seemed inconceivable that a person would travel that far to obtain a HC licence, my concern was that the licence wasn't actually in force and that is why I consulted the register.

Then we must take the original statement I made and examine it in its entirety .................... it is no good you taking a closer look at everything I have ever written without taking into account the full content.

The fact remains that my comments on this issue were not specific to any specific plate (although you are trying to suggest that they were) or location, the comment suggested "I think there is more to this than meets the eye .................. Berwick upon Tweed “plates” have been seen working under PH “contracts” as far away as South Wales." now you chose to highlight the plural in "plates" and "contracts" and then accredited the plural to a specific area EVEN THOUGH within the same quote the words "as far away as" are clearly written.

You have done what you always do, you have concentrated on specific words within a statement instead of quoting the whole statement .............. you do this in an attempt to suggest that the author of any piece you disagree with is wrong at best and an idiot at worse.

The statement remains correct ....................... there are HC vehicles licensed by Berwick upon Tweed Council working legally under PH contracts as far away as South Wales.

It remains correct because there is more than one HC licensed by Berwick upon Tweed working legally under PH contracts outside of Berwick upon Tweed ................ the furthest recorded being in Wales, which is defined within the statement using the words as far away as.

It is impossible to define where these vehicles are working, although it is unlikely that a person residing in Wales would travel to Berwick to work.

This witch-hunt has gone beyond an acceptable level, this thread is a blatant attempt to discredit me professionally therefore I will no longer contribute to this thread, however should you wish to discuss the matter further or work towards and acceptable solution to this practice then the PM facility is the only place I will continue discussing this matter.

B. Lucky
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TF pi$$ed on his chips.

I agree, working together is far better that not working together.

Unless of course you are a certain person from London.

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