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So how does this comparison fare, we pay £172 for the operators licence, then a further £72 for our badge, shurly the badge should be included in the operators cost and not as an extra, as the forms are exactly the same, and go through the same process. IE CRC, police check, the only difference being you include the cab details for an OP and that question is on both forms, that's how our council line there pockets.
I feel that all operators should be able to drive there cabs, but in our area you don't need to, what happens if you only have 1 driver and he is taken ill and you have commitments to fulfill, or he is on his way to an airport miles away with passengers in the cab who takes over.
I cannot for the life of me think why there are so many different administration costs throughout the country all councils do exactly the same thing, there should be 1 set fee and that's it :evil: :evil: :evil:


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142 for the operators licence, £33 for badge for 1 year .

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But we have 2200p/h and 271h/c..x..173..=.................?

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We have 6 PH and 100 hacks and that's just our small zone
Ops plus badge 106 x £244 = £25,864
then ad drivers 200 approx at £72 =£14,400
All licences run for 1 year.

There are 4 zones in our area so work that out


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MR T wrote:
Administration costs vary across the country .


You specifically referred to Berwick and so did I. Isn't the cost of administering each licence application in Berwick the same, regardless of where the vehicle and driver works?

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JD wrote:
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Administration costs vary across the country .


You specifically referred to Berwick and so did I. Isn't the cost of administering each licence application in Berwick the same, regardless of where the vehicle and driver works?

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yes, cost per licence is the same.
unit costs also diminish with the amount of licences issued. Economies of scale.

e.g. wages for
1 police officer
+1 vehicle examiner
+ 1 admin staff
+ premises cost
+ phone
+ etc etc
= £xxx

1 licence issued: cost to licenceholder = £xxx
100 licences issued: cost to licenceholder = £xxx/100.

after a certain number of licences are issued more staff are required, but economies of scale still apply.
There will be regional variations e.g wages or property costs.

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I think if you were to look closely you would find that every council generates money from licensing, but as our licensing fees are ring-fenced and the Hackney and private hire department stands on its own feet excess money can not be siphoned off to be used in other sections of licensing. And I think JD that Berwicks policy is to use licences that they know will not operate in their own district as a cash cow nothing else.


But aren't the administration costs the same for every license application no matter where they choose to work?

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Reading this I was left with the impression that you were referring to all licensing districts,but now it has become clear that you were referring to only one so the answer would be yes, you really do need to lighten up, grumpy is something I don' do.
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MR T wrote:
Reading this I was left with the impression that you were referring to all licensing districts,but now it has become clear that you were referring to only one so the answer would be yes, you really do need to lighten up, grumpy is something I don' do.
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I don't blame you for not doing Grumpy, Why not try Sleepy, Bashful or Dopey, they might be more your type? lol

Only jesting of course.

With respect to license fees I don't think it is fare to criticise a license regime that only charges what is cost to administer the service, while many other licensing authorities charge considerably more than their bare administration costs.

Do you?

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Licensing departments are run on budgets , that budget is set at the beginning of the Year, if that budget was estimated for 150.00 and they took in 200.00 , the next year they would not be setting their budget for a 100.00 knowing that they had 50.000 over, the general practice is that all fees go into the general purpose account and then the department receives its budget for the year, the excess vanishes... :oops:

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Licensing departments are run on budgets , that budget is set at the beginning of the Year, if that budget was estimated for 150.00 and they took in 200.00 , the next year they would not be setting their budget for a 100.00 knowing that they had 50.000 over, the general practice is that all fees go into the general purpose account and then the department receives its budget for the year, the excess vanishes... :oops:

up here licencing has to be self funding. they are not permitted to make a profit (it's not a business). Any surplus is carried forward and used to reduce the fees.

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gusmac wrote:
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Licensing departments are run on budgets , that budget is set at the beginning of the Year, if that budget was estimated for 150.00 and they took in 200.00 , the next year they would not be setting their budget for a 100.00 knowing that they had 50.000 over, the general practice is that all fees go into the general purpose account and then the department receives its budget for the year, the excess vanishes... :oops:

up here licencing has to be self funding. they are not permitted to make a profit (it's not a business). Any surplus is carried forward and used to reduce the fees.


And now it is the same in Sefton..and has been from 2000..but we now have 800 more P/h.... eusasmiles.zip

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up here licencing has to be self funding. they are not permitted to make a profit (it's not a business). Any surplus is carried forward and used to reduce the fees.


But how do you get the council to give you the full breakdown of the licence fee when they wont, even under the freedom of information act
Ours wont entertain us after asking in writing um-teen times


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But how do you get the council to give you the full breakdown of the licence fee when they wont, even under the freedom of information act.

Then complain to the info commissioner. :wink:

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up here licencing has to be self funding. they are not permitted to make a profit (it's not a business). Any surplus is carried forward and used to reduce the fees.


But how do you get the council to give you the full breakdown of the licence fee when they wont, even under the freedom of information act
Ours wont entertain us after asking in writing um-teen times


The easiest way is to get a councillor to ask the question of the relevant department , they have to answer him...... but don't tell anyone I told you. :wink:

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