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oh my how the truth really does hit a nerve with you lot hey, so its ok for you lot to start on us but when the table turns :lol: :lol:
Your lot hire barristers to find out how to break the law. That puts you in no position to judge anyone. This guy will most likely lose his cab licence. Nothing to stop him getting a limo though, is there?


Gusmac the one thing you miss here is im personally fully legal and dont have one of these sixteen seaters, i stick clearly to 8 and get licensing through Vosa restricted ops so what part o0f my lot do i fall in too then ?? :D
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oh my how the truth really does hit a nerve with you lot hey, so its ok for you lot to start on us but when the table turns :lol: :lol:
or would you care to explain what you ment?

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or would you care to explain what you ment?


ok fair point and accepted :wink:

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Lots of these SCUMBAGS driving LICENSED taxis who are CRB CHECKED :shock: :shock: I wont carry on as i think you catch my drift :roll:

Big difference we go out of our way to out and ban the scum, elements of the limo trade go out of their way to find a way they can operate. :sad:

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But we dont have rapists for drivers! :roll:

Exactly how do you go out of your way to OUT him ???? seems a girl had to be raped before the POLICE acted ???? surely he was CRB,d ????

Im sorry but finding a LEGAL way to operate and RAPE simply dont match up!

And until its proved ILLEGAL in a court of law lets not start again.


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But we dont have rapists for drivers! :roll:

Exactly how do you go out of your way to OUT him ???? seems a girl had to be raped before the POLICE acted ???? surely he was CRB,d ????

Im sorry but finding a LEGAL way to operate and RAPE simply dont match up!

And until its proved ILLEGAL in a court of law lets not start again.
20-20 hindsight is a wonderful thing. I'm pretty sure if he had form for this, he would never have had a licence. No system of licencing can weed out someone who has not yet broken the law. Your attempts to justify not having a licencing system are laughable. Any system is better than none.

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But we dont have rapists for drivers!
I dare say this guy's firm would have told everyone the same thing until he commited the offence, and would have had more justification than you for saying it. How can you be so sure you have no rapists or kiddie fiddlers in your trade? Who checks?

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So your system which is mostly derived from laws dating back to over 100 years is better than a system which we are pushing for which is bang upto date??

Yours obviously does,nt work aswell as our present lack of one , the headlines prove this, at the moment we are to a certain extent self regulating which obviously seems to work better than 100 year + laws.

Things will change for us shortly and i suspect certain ppl on here may be privy to this info and it obviously upsets them a little , enough to try and discredit the limo industry to obviously try and stop a new system for us coming in . WHY . Maybe because what we are pushing for is far more appropriate for this day and age and may actually tighten up your industry this i fear is the route of all the limo bashing!

As for kiddie fiddlers and rapist in our industry ?????? show me proof. The press would have a field day with it so show me the headlines , reports even accusations based on some credible evidence like say.... a complaint even.


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So your system which is mostly derived from laws dating back to over 100 years is better than a system which we are pushing for which is bang upto date??
Are you seriously saying that the system you have WHICH IS NO SYSTEM AT ALL except we might have one soon maybe sometime if we dont all get busted for breaking the law and.......lets find a way to do what we want and b*gger the law is better than our 100% legal system??????
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As for kiddie fiddlers and rapist in our industry ?????? show me proof.
I don't need to. You claim there aren't any, so you prove it. What earthly justification have you got for claiming everyone connected with your trade is as pure as the driven snow? YOU HAVE NO WAY TO KNOW because nobody checks.

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Oh and i dont drink ...........Mr JD!
Neither do I and i'm not JD either. You can't even get that right!!! TWIT

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The last bit was in reference to an earleir quip from JD which suggested i drank , not you .

At the moment our system is 100% legal , it has been to court many times and no-one has been prosecuted who was genuine only the cowboys who masquerade under the self drive banner have been caught and rightly so . So we are just as legal.

I dont claim everyone is pure as the driven snow ? there are bad apples in every barrel and we undoubtedly have a few lurking around. Checks are made for the 16 seater limos PSV license and in most case CRB,s its what the industry pushes for.

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dare say this guy's firm would have told everyone the same thing until he commited the offence, and would have had more justification than you for saying it. How can you be so sure you have no rapists or kiddie fiddlers in your trade? Who checks?


As i said the agencies do.


Very few rapes just happen out of the blue, these creatures are normally habitual and repeat offenders infact some research concludes that its genetic , maybe his employers didnt check correclty or probably werent that bothered as long as he did his job.


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At the moment our system is 100% legal , it has been to court many times and no-one has been prosecuted who was genuine only the cowboys who masquerade under the self drive banner have been caught and rightly so . So we are just as legal.
Thats a matter of opinion. The whole thing is at best shady. Just because nobody has been prosecuted, doesn't make it legal.
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I dont claim everyone is pure as the driven snow ? there are bad apples in every barrel and we undoubtedly have a few lurking around. Checks are made for the 16 seater limos PSV license and in most case CRB,s its what the industry pushes for.
Until your people are all checked, you won't know what they've done in the past, let alone the future.
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As i said the agencies do.
Do all of them? Lets hope so
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So someone becomes a rapist over night do they ??
Nobody said that, but yes I suppose they do. When they commit rape. No system ancient or modern could tell us when this will happen for the first time.

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But we dont have rapists for drivers! :roll:

How do you know?

If I was a hummer driver I could self CRB, and if I was a bad guy I wouldn't sack myself. :?

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So your system which is mostly derived from laws dating back to over 100 years is better than a system which we are pushing for which is bang upto date??

I can assure you whatever you are pushing for you will be very lucky to get half of it. :wink:

But what you need to work out is the law comes first, folks who make up there own laws are the lowest of the low. Not on a par with the rapists, but on the same side of them. :sad:

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So your system which is mostly derived from laws dating back to over 100 years is better than a system which we are pushing for which is bang upto date??


The hackney carriage and private hire licensing system is far from perfect and not many will say it is, especially me but at least it has a foundation in law and can be policed to some extent. Many people including me have a problem with unlicensed vehicles and drivers operating for hire or reward, which is understandable when you consider that those of us who operate within the law have to maintain a certain standard while those outside the law, don't.

You seem to be of the opinion that everyone in the taxi trade has a distinct dislike for limousines that is incorrect. What people in the Taxi trade have a dislike for is the operation of unlicensed vehicles and drivers. Regardless of whether they be limousines, Tuc Tucs, minibus, or ordinary cars? The mode of transport is immaterial and that is a fundamental misunderstanding on your part.

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Yours obviously does, not work as well as our present lack of one, the headlines prove this, at the moment we are to a certain extent self regulating which obviously seems to work better than 100 year + laws.


You can't compare Limos with Taxis, they are two entirely different entities. It's like comparing coach drivers with taxis. The individual nature of the taxi trade sets it apart from any other form of travel. However Sussex can point to actual cases where those that have been refused a license under taxi legislation but granted a PCV license, have then gone on to commit rape while driving a minibus. We reported one such case in January and it can still be read via a link on our front page. Many people get through the safety net of licensing and commit offences but at least there is a requirement to undertake criminal record check, which has in many cases prevented questionable individuals from obtaining a license.

The shear size of the combined UK Taxi trade dwarfs the limo trade into insignificance. Your industry has only been in existence for a few years and yet all of you at some stage were operating illegally. You bought limos without first considering the licensing implications and operated vehicles with total disregard for the law. You didn't fit into any category of licensing and many of you still don't, yet many of you still operate illegally.

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Things will change for us shortly and I suspect certain ppl on here may be privy to this info and it obviously upsets them a little, enough to try and discredit the limo industry to obviously try and stop a new system for us coming in. WHY.


No one is trying to discredit the limo industry, it doesn't matter if you are a limo, minibus or unlicensed taxi the attitude towards unlicensed hire or reward is the same.

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Maybe because what we are pushing for is far more appropriate for this day and age and may actually tighten up your industry this I fear is the route of all the limo bashing!


Perhaps it has not escaped your observation that this site has been pushing for complete new Taxi legislation for quite some time and to my way of thinking licensing limousines can only aid our cause.

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As for kiddie fiddlers and rapist in our industry ?????? show me proof. The press would have a field day with it so show me the headlines , reports even accusations based on some credible evidence like say.... a complaint even.


I have not read any comments on this site making specific accusations of such a nature against limo drivers but I have seen references to limo drivers not having crb checks or being licensed? However you cannot get away from the fact that some of those operating under the status of minibus, which many of you limo people now operate under, have been convicted of rape.

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Oh and i dont drink ...........Mr JD!


That’s heartening to hear, however you do a very good impression of someone who does, on occasions. lol

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JD i have some degree of respect for you fella, but not when you accuse every limo operator of acting illegally at one point!!!! Ever since i first got a limo it was licensed through VOSA so therefore have not operated illegally, please withdraw that remark as i take acception to it, many thanks in advance :D

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As for kiddie fiddlers and rapist in our industry ?????? show me proof. The press would have a field day with it so show me the headlines , reports even accusations based on some credible evidence like say.... a complaint even.


I have not read any comments on this site making specific accusations of such a nature against limo drivers but I have seen references to limo drivers not having crb checks or being licensed?

JD


Perhaps you need to read a bit more carefully then JD as our dear friend Mr NO TIPS did make such an allegation towards myself, he basicly stated that i just have not been caught yet for my actions!!!!! Fortunately im man enough not to be bothered by this cretin and find the post quite laughable :D

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JD i have some degree of respect for you fella, but not when you accuse every limo operator of acting illegally at one point!!!! Ever since i first got a limo it was licensed through VOSA so therefore have not operated illegally, please withdraw that remark as i take acception to it, many thanks in advance :D


What I meant to say was that at one time and before the first limo was ever licensed by VOSA, that all limos were working while unlicensed.

I cannot tell you when the first limo was licensed by vosa but until that time, those that were being used for hire or reward, were being used unlawfully.

Naturally I did not mean that every vehicle that is licensed today worked unlicensed at some stage as that would be preposterous but surely you are not saying that there has never been a time when a limo was not licensed?

By the way, I do apologise to you if I didn't explain myself clearly?

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