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What happens when six folks book, but eight turn up?

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IDFIMH

Ever heard of BOGOF

As long as you get your money it would not matter how many turned up (between 1 to 8 ). Example: price offered £200 = £50 each + 1 free for each person booked (based on a minimum four fare paying passengers).

May sound long winded but some punters like to think they are getting something for free. i.e how many times do you see in adverts "free quotations". Does that make it a scam or just good marketing.
If you were asked to quote for an out if town job (off the meter) of say 30 miles, the customer pays you. During the journey they change their mind and ask to get dropped at 25 miles (different pub/club etc) would you give them a refund or would you expect the price that you quoted and received to stay the same.

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you can check out any time you like, but you can never leave.

Are we all agreed that small PSVs must charge seperate fares?

If so then any price quoted must be per person not per hire, as any price quoted by hire is for the car i.e. PH.

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IDFIMH

Show me where it says that, there is no control by the TC's over the actual fare charged. If you wanted to travel with 4 of your friends, you can pay for all if you want to, the price structure remains the same

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you can check out any time you like, but you can never leave.

Are we all agreed that seperate fares must be charged?

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IDFIMH

Alright then I will answer it myself.

Or at least let the statutes do my talking.

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/ACTS/acts2000/uk ... pb5-l1g265

All small PSVs must be run on the basis of charging seperate fares.

So how can any Limo use small PSV regs when they charge for the whole hire, be that a fixed price job rate, or a fixed hourly rate?

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IDFIMH

So in your opinion, how do you calculate the fare?

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you can check out any time you like, but you can never leave.

PSV ?!?!?!?!

if this is the case...........sod £700 an hour, i'll just use my oap bus pass.

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Oi ! get back to work

You calculate fares according to the legislation.

Are you saying you don't understand the meaning of seperate fares?

Which of these licenses do you operate under?

13 Classification of licences

(1) A PSV operator's licence may be either a standard licence or a restricted licence.

(2) A standard licence authorises the use of any description of public service vehicle and may authorise use either—

(a) on both national and international operations; or

(b) on national operations only.

(3) A restricted licence authorises the use (whether on national or international operations) of—

(a) public service vehicles not adapted to carry more than eight passengers; and

(b) public service vehicles not adapted to carry more than sixteen passengers when used—

(i) otherwise than in the course of a business of carrying passengers; or

(ii) by a person whose main occupation is not the operation of public service vehicles adapted to carry more than eight passengers.

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I think someone mentioned operator disc requirement several days ago?

Requirement to display operators disc.

18 Duty to exhibit operator's disc

(1) Where a vehicle is being used in circumstances such that a PSV operator's licence is required, there shall be fixed and exhibited on the vehicle in the prescribed manner an operator's disc issued under this section showing particulars of the operator of the vehicle and of the PSV operator's licence under which the vehicle is being used.

[(2) A traffic commissioner on granting a PSV operator's licence shall supply the person to whom the licence is granted—

(a) with a number of operators' discs equal to the maximum number of vehicles that he may use under the licence in accordance with the condition or conditions attached to the licence under section 16(1) of this Act; or

(b) with such lesser number of operators' discs as he may request.
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Avoidance of contractual liability by means of imposing conditions in a contract clause in respect of conveying any passenger in a public service vehicle is void.

29 Avoidance of contracts so far as restrictive of liability in respect of death of or injury to passengers in public service vehicles

A contract for the conveyance of a passenger in a public service vehicle shall, so far as it purports to negative or to restrict the liability of a person in respect of a claim which may be made against him in respect of the death of, or bodily injury to, the passenger while being carried in, entering or alighting from the vehicle, or purports to impose any conditions with respect to the enforcement of any such liability, be void.

Regards

JD

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Very Good JD

Now using maths, how do you calculate the fares (or fares) according to the legislation. What is the cash number and how is it arrived at.
It's a simple question

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you can check out any time you like, but you can never leave.

A popular misconception.

Separate fares do not mean the "same fare as a bus would charge" and if the journey is over 15 miles and does not have to be registered, you do not have to accept oap passes.

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you can check out any time you like, but you can never leave.

The short answer should be in the same way as all other buses do.

But the problem we have is that a limo or a hummer isn't and never will be a small PSV, other than in the minds of folks who want to abuse the licensing system.

I understand that quoting for a limo or hummer on a per person basis is crazy, but it also happens to be the law of the land.

The question I ask all limo and hummer operators is how many of them quote per person? I guess less than 5%.

So IMO even 95% of licensed PSV limos are not adhering to the law of the land.

And do the national limo associations do anything about that?

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IDFIMH

Are you asking me to advise you of what the law determines as seperate fares?

I don't mind doing that but I would have thought in order to operate within the law every psv operator would have to know what constitutes seperate fares?

Before I give you the legal interpretation of seperate fares perhaps you can advise me on how you operate your small psv vehicles? For instance do you run a local service to a timetable, over a specific "registered" route and where the destination and route is not at the discretion of the passengers? Or do you use the small psv's as private hire vehicles where the passengers do have discretion over the route and there is no local service registered?

Regards

JD

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Sussex, does every taxi driver /ph do everything by the book????????

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Legal and proud

Loads a love from BERTIE !!

No, but at least the council(s) have powers to bin off the bad guys.

And I'm pretty sure any bad guy would get some very short shrift from the likes of me if they came on here pulling the odd scam or two.

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