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I was just quoting the bit that looked relevent so that others did not have to readthe whole lot.

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Grandad,

Which section of the 1981 act are they licensed under?

Regards

JD

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From memory they are licensed in exactly the same way as big buses i.e. with blue badges.

The wording of the act says something (without looking) like the PSV must be a motorised vehicle, similar I guess to the wording of a PH.

As he had a national PSV ops license, the Traffic Commisioner was powerless to refuse to license them.

I'm led to believe it was a significant factor in his subsequent resignation.

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IDFIMH

18 big and 2 small = 20

the 10% is only a guideline and has never been set out as to what it exactly means. e.g. 10% of fleet or turnover or profit or number of passengers carried. If you a licence for two vehicles one can be an 8 seater.

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you can check out any time you like, but you can never leave.

For small buses, which his tuc tucs will be licensed as, he is only allowed 10% of his big bus operation like everyone else.

Regards

JD

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TUC-TUC LIMITED
Director(s): DOMINIC PONNIAH.
PK1047478 SN
42 CAMBRIDGE ST LONDON SW1V 4QH

New operating centre: X LEISURE (BRIGHTON II) LTD, OCTAGON OFFICES,
WATERFRONT, BRIGHTON MARINA, BRIGHTON BN2 5WB ()

New authorisation at this operating centre will be: "30" vehicle(s),
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At most he only ever had 12 of the things.

But the funny thing was that when he was fined, he was fined by the number of vehicles he was allowed to run, not per vehicle he actually had.

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Here's another 15 vehicle license for Edinburgh.

GALLUS EVENTS LTD T/A EVENT TUCTUC

Director(s): HAZEL MACKENZIE, COLIN MACKENZIE. PM1069675 SN

WENT BANK HOUSE, NR MACMERRY , TRANENT EH33 2AH

Operating Centre: THE PLEASANCE THEATRE, 60 PLEASANCE CENTRE ,
EDINBURGH EH8 9TJ

Authorisation:15 Vehicle(s) and 0 Trailer(s).

Transport Manager(s): DOMINIC PONNIAH

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If you wanted to treat your wife to something special for birthday etc and booked a limo, would the two of you hand over money each or would you pay for it in one go.

If you took the wife and two kids to the zoo on the bus would each one of you pay individually or would you pay for two adults and two kids in one go. Number of tickets does not matter, on a Sunday or Bank hol some companies allow season ticket holders to take 2 adults and two kids for no extra cost.

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you can check out any time you like, but you can never leave.

If he had failed to operate the registered timetable, he would "fined" an amount multiplied by the total number of discs authorised.
Unlike goods vehicles the discs are not vehicle specific, you could have 40 vehicles and only 30 discs but you would only be allowed to operate 30 out on the road at any one time.

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you can check out any time you like, but you can never leave.

The application must be for a standard license but if the vehicles only seat six passengers then I'm assuming that can't be right, I also assume the same applies to a restricted license?
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Section 14 Grant of licences.

(1) An application for a standard licence shall not be granted unless the traffic [commissioner] [is] satisfied that the applicant meets the following requirements, namely—

(a) the requirement to be of good repute;

(b) the requirement to be of appropriate financial standing; and

(c) the requirement as to professional competence;

and an application for a restricted licence shall not be granted unless the traffic [commissioner] [is] satisfied that the applicant meets the requirements to be of good repute and of appropriate financial standing.

(2) The provisions of Schedule 3 to this Act shall have effect for supplementing the provisions of subsection (1) above, and for modifying the operation of that subsection in the case of persons engaged in road passenger transport before 1st January 1978.

(3) Notwithstanding that it appears to the traffic [commissioner] on an application for a standard or restricted licence that the requirements mentioned in subsection (1) above are met, the application shall not be granted unless the [commissioner] [is] further satisfied—

(a) that there will be adequate facilities or arrangements for maintaining in a fit and serviceable condition the vehicles proposed to be used under the licence; and

(b) that there will be adequate arrangements for securing compliance with the requirement of the law relating to the driving and operation of those vehicles.

[(3A) In considering on an application for a PSV operator's licence whether the requirements mentioned in subsection (3) above are satisfied, the traffic commissioner may take into account any undertakings given by the applicant (or procured by him to be given) for the purposes of the application and may assume that those undertakings will be fulfilled.]

(4) If on an application for a PSV operator's licence the traffic [commissioner] [determines] that the relevant requirements mentioned in subsection (1) above and the further requirements mentioned in subsection (3) above are satisfied [he] shall, subject to [section 16] of this Act, grant the licence in accordance with the application.

[(5) In any case where the traffic commissioner grants an application for a PSV operator's licence, any undertakings taken into account by him under subsection (3A) above that he considers to be material to the granting of the application shall be recorded in the licence issued to the applicant.]
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But the law is the law, and the 2000 act amendment is the 2000 act amendment.

Perhaps we should go back and remember why that amendment happened.

Prior to 2000 a few naughty operators operating out of some regional airports worked out they could get rid of all this taxi/PH lark for their airport 'taxi' services, and licensed as PSV.

They acted and served the public in the same way as taxi/PH, by having a one price per vehicle policy, and it was 100% legal.

Ministers and the gov very quickly realised that this would lead to chaos, and decided that if a small PSV wanted to act like a taxi/PH then they had best license as a taxi/PH.

Hence the amendment.

Which brings me back to your point, which is a very reasonable one IMO, the law has outlawed fixed prices for small PSVs, and that includes the small PSVs that happen to be about 40ft long.

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Here's another tuc tuc operation, in Plymouth.

STEPHEN PAUL INGLEBY T/A PLYMOUTH TUK TUK TOURS, 9 ,
BEATTY CLOSE, DERRIFORD , PLYMOUTH PL6 6LJ
PH1065884/2
From: Plymouth
To: Plymouth
Via:
Name or No: Plymouth Tuc Tuc Tours
Service Type: Flexible Registration
Effective Date: 19-Apr-2007
Other Details: Every day 1000 - 1930
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I think he gets his ops license first, and then puts on what he likes as far as it has got approval by the DVLA i.e. a tax disc.

The act says;

(1) .. in this Act “public service vehicles means a motor vehicle .. which –
(a) being a vehicle adapted to carry more than eight passengers, is used for carrying passengers for hire or reward; or
(b) being a vehicle not so adapted, is used for carrying passengers for hire or reward at separate fares in the course of a business of carrying passengers

Which basically means that anyone can run a fleet of 100% tuk tuks or even 100% Skodas as PSV.

The saving grace is the seperate fares issue, and when VOSA actually get around to enforcing the law of the land, it might cause a problem or two for the limo mob.

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So what insurance would you need for any of the above hire and reward or private