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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 9:09 pm 
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I think I better start a new thread on flexible services as it seams thats what tuc tucs and many others are operating under. Here are a few details although we have gone through this before but it needs a little more scrutiny now that more people seem to be operating under it.
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Flexible bus registration information note


New regulations affecting all bus services, community bus permit holders and flexible services will come into force on 23 February 2004. Whilst they start then, they do not affect existing services until you make a variation application.

All bus services have to provide:

• a service name or number

• a route map of 1:50000 scale or better

Community bus permit applications only have to give 28 days notice from 23 Feb 04

Flexible services

The new requirements aim to make it easier to register flexibly routed services, particularly those that run in areas that don’t have a good bus service. Existing flexible services can continue under the current rules until you make a variation application when they will have to comply with the rules set out below.

At the moment you can only run a flexibly-routed service in England & Wales. Scotland has its own different system of bus registration. Details can be found here.

The definition is a local service (ie journeys of less than 15 miles as the crow flies) that goes to one or more local communities or neighbourhoods within a specified geographical area. There may be fixed sections of the route but the vast majority of the journey is flexibly routed so you cannot define the roads you will use in advance. Seats must be pre-booked, be available to the general public and separate fares (ie each passenger pays the same fare for the same journey regardless of how many other passengers are on board) must be charged.

Applications go to the TAO that covers the majority of the area of operation or the majority of fixed stops (where there are any). Your correspondence address is needed but it can be changed at short notice and is a free change.

The area of operation must be shown on a map and be clearly defined – you can use simple boundaries ie roads, town boundaries or a square box etc. However it must not be too large. Fixed parts of the route (if there are any) must be shown on the map too. You do NOT have to have a published timetable, unless you want one, but seats must pre-booked. You can do this in a way that suits your business but you must make sure that potential passengers know how your booking system works.

You MUST keep records of the bookings you accept ie the date and time you will pick up and drop off the passenger together with the actual times on the day. Also you must keep a note of the passenger’s name and contact details. These records MUST be kept for 12 months – an agent can keep them on your behalf. This may have an impact under the Data Protection Act so you should check out your responsibilities with them too.

There are three main types of flexible service: many to 1 where you pick people up from several places (possibly their home) and take them to one location ie the local hospital. The opposite type is the 1 to many where you pick people up at one point but drop them off at several places. Finally there is the many to many service, which gives most flexibility, so you can pick up and drop off anywhere in your area of operation. Other examples are given in the guidebook.

To run these types of service you must provide enough information about your plans so that people know what to expect. So, you must display the following details on the bus and in your publicity material:

• your flexible area of operation and that the service is open to the general public

• the stopping arrangements at all your stops including any changes that happen at different times of the day

• how bookings can be made (including any time limits ie 9am-5pm), how flexible stopping points will be identified, whether every customer’s demands will be met and if not, what happens then

• the timetable at fixed stops and the way times will be allocated for flexible stops must be provided

• how fares are worked out for each journey (this must be easy to understand and based on separate fares)

When you agree times with your passengers you have some freedom to arrive near to, rather than exactly on, the agreed time. So you will have a time window for collecting and delivering your passengers. This can be up to 20 minutes so you must make sure that your passengers know what to expect in advance.

Bus Service Operators Grant is also affected and details can be found in PSV360 or at www.dft.gov.uk under ‘local transport’ and ‘buses’.

A more detailed guidebook and an application form are also available at www.vosa.gov.uk
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 9:20 pm 
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I'm going to put this link in here because it is relevant.

http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/regional/buse ... ces?page=4

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Have you got the rules for Scotland JD


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skippy41 wrote:
Have you got the rules for Scotland JD


Scotland haven't gone as far as England and Wales as they introduced their own Transport act in 2005 I think but i can certainly give you some details, tomorrow?

I think the way things are going we soon won't need P/H licensing because PSV licensing will be extremely flexible. lol

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The biggest concern with these flexible licenses (if used by small PSVs) isn't neccesarily the vehicles, as they have to have their regular checks, it's the drivers who can drive them for 'hire and reward' on ordinary non PSV licenses. :sad:

No CRBs, no medicals, 100% legal. :sad:

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TDO has put together some information from VOSA about flexible bus services and operator licenses. Several VOSA documents have been compiled together in PDF format for ease of use. If you wish to understand how these operations work then I recommend you read them. Any taxi association who wants to combat illegal plying for hire by operators who run such services should read these documents in order that you can familiarise yourself with the rules, regulations and procedures which these operators have to comply.

Anyone wishing to operate under the flexible service system should also read these documents.

www.taxi-driver.co.uk/files/flexitrans.pdf

www.taxi-driver.co.uk/files/flexitransguide.pdf

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GBC will be a happy bunny, they have only 21 days left to object, but Red ken being the ass wipe he is, they will more than likely be able to run

Its funny they where mentioned in another post last night and by him :lol: :lol:


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skippy41 wrote:
GBC will be a happy bunny, they have only 21 days left to object, but Red ken being the ass wipe he is, they will more than likely be able to run

Its funny they where mentioned in another post last night and by him :lol: :lol:

Mr Skippy it looks like you just missed this thread being split. :lol: :lol:

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I wondered what happened to it how do you move it


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I have been asked, nicely, if I could put this up from the GMB.

I'm led to believe this was passed.

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MOTION FOR SUBMISSION TO GMB CONGRESS 2007

HEADING: ‘O’ LICENCES



Congress calls upon the GMB to organise a campaign to tighten up on the operation of ‘O’ Licences which are being used by bus operators to develop “taxi style” services to the detriment of the Hackney Carriage and Private Hire trade.

Unlike drivers who are required to operate under local authority control through the licencing procedures, drivers of ‘O’ licence vehicles are not required to undergo CRB checks or to undertake the knowledge test which is a requirement for Private Hire and Hackney Carriage drivers. The members believe that this is a serious weakness in the security for passengers and overall safety and standards that customers should expect.

Congress calls upon the GMB to campaign that those who are operating similar services to Hackney Carriage drivers or that would have a detriment on Private Hire services, should be required to meet the same regulations and standards that are required of the Licenced trade. Bus operators should not be allowed to develop services which are in competition with Hackney Carriage Drivers or the Private Hire services without also requiring to meet the same standards. This issue is placing the livelihoods of Hackney Carriage and Private Hire drivers in jeopardy and also runs the danger of bringing the trade into disrepute. The use of the term ‘taxi’ should only be allowed on vehicles which have met the full standards required by the Licencing Authorities. We call upon the GMB to bring this to the attention of the Government and Licensing Authorities to ensure that a more rigorous policing of ‘O’ Licence operation is adopted and that new standards are introduced which remove the existing loopholes.

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Alex wrote:
Unlike drivers who are required to operate under local authority control through the licencing procedures, drivers of ‘O’ licence vehicles are not required to undergo CRB checks or to undertake the knowledge test which is a requirement for Private Hire and Hackney Carriage drivers.


So does this mean that Congress thinks that where there's no knowledge then the O licence is OK? :roll:

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TDO wrote:
So does this mean that Congress thinks that where there's no knowledge then the O licence is OK? :roll:

I believe Congress would have passed anything, if asked. :roll: :roll:

Still if the GMB can help, albeit in a little way, to get the 'powers that be' to address this flexible bus abuse, then good luck to them.

Hopefully they might even mention this Schedule 6 scam as well.

I wish them well. :roll: :roll:

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