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so what you saying here ? because someone is successful in what they do they must be looking after them selves ?


No, but I had a feeling you might accuse me of that :wink:

What I meant is that you want the rules to suit you, Skippy wants the rules to suit him.

Personally I have a bit more sympathy for someone with one car rather than several hundred and, even leaving that aside, surely it's a bit rich to accuse Skippy of looking after himself (which is patented true) when you're also self-evidently trying to look after yourself?



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could it not be a case of we invest all our money as a family back into the business so not only i benefit but drivers and staff a like


No problem with that, but how do the drivers benefit by you taking on more drivers?

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or do you know me?


Doubt it, but as I don't know who you are I don't know :lol:


TDO i also dont know who you are !

but i have no shame in tell you my Name is Ian Shanks i operate a taxi company in Newcastle Called Blue Line Taxis and if there is any thing else you wish to know please ask

as far as the drivers benefit from our years of investments into a systems that give them a better chance and more ability to do more work with less dead miles and i guess the proof in that is the numbers we have. And of course i do it for myself as well but my ambition in life is to build a purpose built office that can be operated by disabled people in wheel chairs, not to have villas in far away places etc

so i try to build a system and a operation that we all can do well from, and its the way the job is perceived and some drivers attitude to the job and the fare paying customers that [edited by admin] me off.

on the other hand i also get vexed by the barriers that are being more and more put in front of people to get into this trade at the front, end, although i believe qualifications are good i would like to see them achieved maybe in the drivers first year so he will sustain them and not go off the boil.

any way that's me !!! and you my friend ???


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the money i don't think is the big issues i think it is the anti social hours the people we are dealing with these days and the general perception people have of this industry such as the portacabin in a pub car park or what they See in things like Coronation street !!! so people do not see it as a professional industry providing public transport ! rather just a stepping stone when they have no other option while they look for what they think is a proper job !!



Well if you're taking on immigrant labour and shopping around for the LAs for the lowest standards then that's why people view it as a stepping stone until they get a real job.

Not that I'm blaming you, but you can hardly complain about the consequences of your own actions.


this is another mail that you have totally got me out of context !!

so please read carefully before your reply

i have never said immigrants are using anything as a steeping stone but EU drivers are good hard working people

the reason i have gone to them is that English drivers who are simply using this job as a stepping stone until they can get back to there tools or a new contract comes along or away on a rig somewhere

you need to take your blinkers off or think before you reply


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The borders are just about fecked, well they are in my zone, there are now 109 cabs for a population of 16,000, and there is nothing we can do against a council that hands plates out as if they are going out of fashion.
I only work 4 days a week, and only go out to cover phone calls the rest of the time now, because you just cannot get onto a 9 car rank.



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What are your rates ians, £10 per hour is low even the £25, I think you should be in the region on £30 to £35, I can and do the £25 even on the slowest of days and that's just 1 car, double that and more at weekends.
try to match driver and customers so they can build up trust, and ask the drivers to help customers with shopping and luggage instead of just standing there with there fingers stuck in neutral, the more they help the more custom you get :wink:


Seems to be a bit of a contradiction here Skippy.

Or perhaps it's me who thinks taking £25 an hour minimum and £50+ when busy isn't exactly fecked?


TDO, can you remember the question I posed last year regarding fare increases, well I took yours and JD's advice, regarding the information you both supplied and do an average 8 runs per hour while the rest are sitting there, run the meter and give a discount, average fare £3.00 for the first mile £1.00 there after instead of £1.40 :wink: :wink: instead of £3.60, and I'm better off
Some on here will think that daft or mad but I am moving and the rest just sit there most of the day, as there employers, who never work, tell them to charge the full rates, and as the saying goes when the wheels are turning your earning


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TDO, can you remember the question I posed last year regarding fare increases, well I took yours and JD's advice, regarding the information you both supplied and do an average 8 runs per hour while the rest are sitting there, run the meter and give a discount, average fare £3.00 for the first mile £1.00 there after instead of £1.40 :wink: :wink: instead of £3.60, and I'm better off

Only you can decide what is best for you, but what happens when someone else undercuts you? :?

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TDO, can you remember the question I posed last year regarding fare increases, well I took yours and JD's advice, regarding the information you both supplied and do an average 8 runs per hour while the rest are sitting there, run the meter and give a discount, average fare £3.00 for the first mile £1.00 there after instead of £1.40 :wink: :wink: instead of £3.60, and I'm better off

Only you can decide what is best for you, but what happens when someone else undercuts you? :?


The never ending spiral where the only winner is the punter. :sad:

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I have some friends in the taxitrade who come from different parts of the globe and they are hard working,friendly and go about the job in a professional manner.Most of them do not see it as a stepping stone to another job,they see it as a job for life and take pride in what they do.


Well of course that's why many British firms like immigrant labour, but my point was that from the perspective of you and me and other British people in the labour market the job becomes less attractive because at the end of the day more immigrant labour means lower earnings for us.

It all depends on where you are in the pecking order - if you hire people and profit from then then clearly if immigrants work for lower wages and do a better job then that's a plus for you, whether you're in the building trade, a farmer or taxi proprietor.

On the other hand, if you're a humble driver like you and me then immigrant labour can only be a bad thing, since in effect it worsens our working conditions. Thus the job may look like a career move for a newly arrived immigrant, but from the other perspective it looks more and more like a stepping stone for people like ye and me.

Another point to bear in mind is perhaps while new immigrants seem a godsend to employers at the outset, in a few years time things might look a bit different, when the immigrants become settled and taxi driving doesn't looks so good anymore.

Look around many English and world cities (like New York) and you'll see that already - the indigenous poplulation doesn't even see it as a stepping stone, so you don't see white faces at all, and by then the immigrants are viewing it as a stepping stone.

Coming to a taxi trade near you :?

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ians wrote:
this is another mail that you have totally got me out of context !!

so please read carefully before your reply

i have never said immigrants are using anything as a steeping stone but EU drivers are good hard working people

the reason i have gone to them is that English drivers who are simply using this job as a stepping stone until they can get back to there tools or a new contract comes along or away on a rig somewhere

you need to take your blinkers off or think before you reply


I didn't really differentiate between indigenous and immigrant labour, but as I said to badger above, if you think indigenous drivers are using the job as a stepping stone, do you think this will improve if you start taking on more immigrant labour?

I doubt it - indeed, you'll soon end up with a largely immigrant workforce, and I suspect that a few years down the line you'll end up back to square one.

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this is another mail that you have totally got me out of context !!

so please read carefully before your reply

i have never said immigrants are using anything as a steeping stone but EU drivers are good hard working people

the reason i have gone to them is that English drivers who are simply using this job as a stepping stone until they can get back to there tools or a new contract comes along or away on a rig somewhere

you need to take your blinkers off or think before you reply


I didn't really differentiate between indigenous and immigrant labour, but as I said to badger above, if you think indigenous drivers are using the job as a stepping stone, do you think this will improve if you start taking on more immigrant labour?

I doubt it - indeed, you'll soon end up with a largely immigrant workforce, and I suspect that a few years down the line you'll end up back to square one.
How long before they open a company of their own and undercut you?

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this is another mail that you have totally got me out of context !!

so please read carefully before your reply

i have never said immigrants are using anything as a steeping stone but EU drivers are good hard working people

the reason i have gone to them is that English drivers who are simply using this job as a stepping stone until they can get back to there tools or a new contract comes along or away on a rig somewhere

you need to take your blinkers off or think before you reply


I didn't really differentiate between indigenous and immigrant labour, but as I said to badger above, if you think indigenous drivers are using the job as a stepping stone, do you think this will improve if you start taking on more immigrant labour?

I doubt it - indeed, you'll soon end up with a largely immigrant workforce, and I suspect that a few years down the line you'll end up back to square one.
How long before they open a company of their own and undercut you?


have the English drivers not got that same opportunity?


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What are your rates ians, £10 per hour is low even the £25, I think you should be in the region on £30 to £35, I can and do the £25 even on the slowest of days and that's just 1 car, double that and more at weekends.


I find your figures a bit hard to believe skippy, but if so then TBH I can't see it lasting if the rest of the cars are as quiet as you claim - they'll soon jump on the bandwagon :roll:


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What are your rates ians, £10 per hour is low even the £25, I think you should be in the region on £30 to £35, I can and do the £25 even on the slowest of days and that's just 1 car, double that and more at weekends.


I find your figures a bit hard to believe skippy, but if so then TBH I can't see it lasting if the rest of the cars are as quiet as you claim - they'll soon jump on the bandwagon :roll:


Well been doing it for almost a year, and no one else is prepared to do it, I do receive the inverted victory salute, quit often, but hey who gives a dam if they want to sit there with there fingers in neutral so be it,
it was them that wanted the almost 50% fare increase last year, and I fought against it, through the traffic commissioner stating at the time we only needed 10% max, I lost, but managed to get the starting time of applying extras from 6pm to midnight.


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The borders are just about fecked, well they are in my zone, there are now 109 cabs for a population of 16,000, and there is nothing we can do against a council that hands plates out as if they are going out of fashion.
I only work 4 days a week, and only go out to cover phone calls the rest of the time now, because you just cannot get onto a 9 car rank.


Skippy above you are claiming in the borders where you are, thet are fecked !and there is two many cabs for the poplation and you just pop out to cover phone calls frather than st on ranks 9 deep
then you say below that you should be doing £30 to £35 an hour suggesting you do ? even a bad hour to you is £25 per hour?

this equates to £6.25 for every 15 mins, so your doing a job of about just over 4 miles dropping off and picking up again without any dead miles as it is reasonable to say in the borders a 4 mile journey may take up to 15 mins and your doing that every 15 mins to be getting a poor £25 per hour !

on £35 per hour your doing a £8.75 every 15 mins which on your rates of £3 first mile and £1 a mile after is which is then about a seven mile journey !! and your doing now seven miles in 15 mins dropping off and picking up with no dead miles and no wasted time ?

have you got and points on your licence ????

so which is it your make fortunes and going like the clappers with the phone jumping of the hook

or is the area fecked as you said ??

or could it be your head thats fecked here ???



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What are your rates ians, £10 per hour is low even the £25, I think you should be in the region on £30 to £35, I can and do the £25 even on the slowest of days and that's just 1 car, double that and more at weekends.
try to match driver and customers so they can build up trust, and ask the drivers to help customers with shopping and luggage instead of just standing there with there fingers stuck in neutral, the more they help the more custom you get :wink:


Seems to be a bit of a contradiction here Skippy.


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Each 2 their own but undercutting here off the ranks would lead to a burnt out motor. :shock:
But we have a good rate which means we dont need to be desperate.

But come the reccession things might change. :roll:

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Seems to be a bit of a contradiction here Skippy.


most of the runs are a mile to a mile and a half that covers 99% of the town, then there is a housing scheme 3.5 miles out.
So I take £3.00 for the milers the meter shows £3.40, and £5.00 for the 3.5 ones the meter shows 6.90, our rates start at £2.00 then £1.40 per mile before midnight and £3.00 start after I just add a pound


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Seems to be a bit of a contradiction here Skippy.


most of the runs are a mile to a mile and a half that covers 99% of the town, then there is a housing scheme 3.5 miles out.
So I take £3.00 for the milers the meter shows £3.40, and £5.00 for the 3.5 ones the meter shows 6.90, our rates start at £2.00 then £1.40 per mile before midnight and £3.00 start after I just add a pound
What do you mean by ..add a pound :?

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