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I wonder if anyone has ever been prosecuted for serving someone who is/was pi**ed up?

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OK I will hold my hands up you do not have to take them, but some punters look perfectly OK when they get in, and its only when you get so far down the road that they throw up, yes some of them will have had a drink to many but there are time when the punter is just car sick, granted they should ask you to stop but there are occasions when they are sick before they can say anything
Once they are in the cab they are your responsibility and only then, if they are sick just get the cleaning bill off them and if they have not got it get there address and charge them a fare on top of the bill for going to collect it the next day

In my experience it's quite difficult to get the soiling charge.

They either don't have it or they're akward about it or whatever.

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The trouble is that society is in total decay.They walk down the streets with a pint of beer/lager held out in front of them, kicking windows and doors as they go, turning waste bins upside down, effing and blinding and shouting at the tops of their voices.

But! we must not do anything because they are only letting off steam, and anyway you might be infringing their rights.

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Interesting thread this.

A few weeks ago I was in pole and two doormen came round the corner from a pub holding up this drunk and asked me if I would take him - they said it was OK, he wouldn't puke up (how many times have I heard that one? )

Anyway, been there and done that, so I refused and they left him propped up against the wall.

A few seconds later he lunged towards the car, pulled open the door, and before I could do anything he was sitting down. Since he was only going a mile away I thought it would be more hassle to get him out than take him home, so I set off.

So we got three quarters of the way there and guess what happened?

So I stopped, got him out and pointed him towards where he was staying (he wasn't a local).

So I suspect some of you will say I was neglecting his welfare, as would the council, but of course the pub who got him into this state and the doormen who left him propped up against the wall get off scot free as regards this kind of thing.

Incidentally, if he'd been totally helpless then I might have taken him home, but it depends on the circumstances, and if it was a helpless, 'vulnerable' female then things would have been different, but if she was so helpless then I wouldn't have taken her in the first place.

Aye, I've heard that one a few times, but it sounds even worse every time I hear it.

It may happen occassionaly, but are you saying that it's usually people who have drunk a few tins and then suddenly one drink turns them for someone sober into a raving drunk?

I noticed in the local press recently the licensed trade trying to blame all this on supermarkets and offlicences selling cheap drink that people get tanked up on before going out to pubs and clubs.

But what does this matter - if they had been in one pub all night or on a pub crawl then would that make a difference as regards the offence of serving drunks?

As I said, they don't go from one extreme to the other just because of one drink.

Grandad's post at 1.17pm is a bit closer to the truth.

To both of your posts.

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If you read my post I said a drink or two later!

Let us be realistic about this, we can all drink but! one drink over your/my limit can turn the balance i.e drunk. I am also using 27 years experience gained in the trade to make that statement, having seen many people alright one minute but not the next.

All I am saying with nothing to gain, is that it is not always the pub/club that they have just come out of.

What happened to the charge drunk and disorderly, that rarely gets used.

Here's one for you, I was working tonight in the City centre - police van across the road from a night club - two coppers at the club door - a guy on the floor on his knees drunk! one minute later the two coppers shot off over to their van, blue lights on, van went off in the direction of another club - and left him there.

Sorry was someone on about a duty of care! you are having a laugh. If they are not interested, then I am not going to be social services. If anyone is old enough to get themselves in that state, then they are old enough to get themselves home.

The way things are going, we will get the blame for taking them into Town.

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Are you sure they did not turn the blue lights off when they got to the pizza place and collected the stations supper

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So if you're now saying it's a gradual process then that makes the publican more culpable?



Perhaps, but on the other hand people generally aren't sober one minute and paraletic the next.

I know it's difficult but on the other hand everyone knows that many pubs and clubs are serving drunks, and nothing's done about it.





Thus you agree that it usually is?

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I agree with you here, and clearly the problem is enforcing the law, but the licensed trade can't really complain about non-enforcement if laws applying to themselves aren't enforced either.



Yes, I agree with what you say here (although presumably they had more important matters to deal with), but as I said the licensed trade can't heap ALL the blame on drunks and the police.



Yes, but the clubs up here were recently trying to blame the offlicences and supermarkets, and you seem to be dong likewise, so in effect you're trying to excuse the pubs and clubs in effect shouldn't be surprised if the blame is shifted elsewhere?

I cannot put it to you anymore simple than I have. What I have tried to do is to provide you inside Knowledge of those from within the trade, and from myself who has been there. This is not passing the buck, but the problems have escalated since all day opening along with 24 hour purchasing came into force.

Fact! pubs and clubs shut, supermarkets do not - so where is the drink coming from? you have not got to be Einstein to work that one out.

People these days are so stressed coming home from work, and the first thing that they do is to reach for a can or bottle. As I said, when they then go out they have already had a few.

You can dress it up any way that you want, in all walks of life you will get responsible people and irresponsible people, yet it is the licensed trade who regulary get visits from licensing enforcement. But! I have never heard of a supermarket getting a visit at 2.00am in the morning.

There is a major problem re drink, and the authorities are trying to make out that they do not know the answer - but they are the ones who created the monster, to grab more tax via drink.

All day opening was never championed by the public - but it was by the Government, The Breweries, and the Supermarkets. They all stand to make massive amounts of money out of it, whilst we pick up the pieces.

You will get the odd bad licensee,but! I think you must agree that with all Cities and Towns rocking and rolling it cannot be all of them.

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I don't know of any supermarket that sells alcohol after midnight. How many pubs are actually open "round the clock"? There are none around my area. Some are open later than they used to be but you can't seriously expect anyone to believe that just because you are able to buy drinks later that anyone suddenly has more money to spend so that they can buy more than they used to? In my experience the only change to drinking habits has been that people go out later in the evening and spend the same amount of money.

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Cabby John, I agree with some of what you say, but you seem to keep harping on about supermarkets and the like when the point was about publicans severing people who are drunk - I don't think it matters if the people have tanked up on supermarket drink, booze from anothter pub, or have spent several hours in the same pub - the publican shouldn't be serving them if they're drunk - where most of the alcohol they've imbibed came from is irrelevant. You might just as well blame Ford or BMW for a speeding motorist.

As for enforcement around pubs and not supermarkets, I see plenty of drunks fall out of pubs, but not at supermarkets.

Tesco and Asda in our area = 24 hours. The youngsters do not as such have more money to spend, but are racking up debt on credit/debit cards because they do not want to be seen by their mates to be any less a person. I understand your reasoning about people going out later, but that tends to be the older or more responsible person.

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If you read my posts in their entirety you will see that I did agree with you in part, however you cannot tar all with the same brush.

[quote]You will get the odd bad licensee,but! I think you must agree that with all Cities and Towns rocking and rolling it cannot be all of them.

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