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I agree with you about not confusing the issue at hand , but I have read the draft of the proposed changes to rectify this situation
How did you get your hands on that...


What he means is that the secret society known as the NTA has put forward a resolution, thats all.

As usual the NTA is chit scared of having it scrutinised because the rest of the taxi trade might laff at it.

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I agree with you about not confusing the issue at hand , but I have read the draft of the proposed changes to rectify this situation
How did you get your hands on that...


What he means is that the secret society known as the NTA has put forward a resolution, thats all.

As usual the NTA is chit scared of having it scrutinised because the rest of the taxi trade might laff at it.

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I agree with you about not confusing the issue at hand , but I have read the draft of the proposed changes to rectify this situation
How did you get your hands on that...


What he means is that the secret society known as the NTA has put forward a resolution, thats all.

As usual the NTA is chit scared of having it scrutinised because the rest of the taxi trade might laff at it.

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You need a new crystal ball, because your one is broken, I am sure all will be revealed as time goes on.


Well if you have read a draft as you say you have then it certainly hasn't come from the DfT. So the draft is not draft and it can only be a proposal by some outfit who is going to have to convince the DfT to change the law and I can't see that happening.

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You really must learn to read what has been written, I did not mention the DFT, all changes start somewhere, by some one or even a number of people or national associations.......... and as for going nowhere would you like a little bet. :wink:

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You really must learn to read what has been written, I did not mention the DFT, all changes start somewhere, by some one or even a number of people or national associations.......... and as for going nowhere would you like a little bet. :wink:


I never said or suggested that you did say it had come from the DfT, so why did you infer that I had?

What I said was this,

Well if you have read a draft as you say you have then it certainly hasn't come from the DfT. So the draft is not a draft and it can only be a proposal by some outfit who is going to have to convince the DfT to change the law and I can't see that happening.

The outfit I mention will more than likely to be a taxi organisation or organisations, Liverpool council or a perhaps a consortium of Liverpool, Newcastle and god knows who else?

In other words there are no proposed changes, all you have read is a document asking the DfT to change legislation. I don't call that proposed changes and neither will anyone else. When these proposed changes of yours get thrown in the bin come back and let us know when they are going to be implemented.

I seem to recall Liverpool have been down this road before and got a swift rebuke I expect the same will happen in this case.

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The outfit I mention will more than likely to be a taxi organisation or organisations, Liverpool council or a perhaps a consortium of Liverpool, Newcastle and god knows who else?

Well there are not really many people left who would have any interest is there.
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Well if you have read a draft as you say you have then it certainly hasn't come from the DfT. So the draft is not a draft and it can only be a proposal by some outfit who is going to have to convince the DfT to change the law and I can't see that happening.
A draft is exactly that, an outline, of what needs to be changed, and replaced with new. a draft document for discussion, for stakeholders :wink:

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Well there are not really many people left who would have any interest is there.


Well let’s recap shall we?

You came out with a statement that "you had read the draft of the proposed changes to rectify this situation". I asked you, "Draft by whom"? Knowing full well that the draft you were on about was nothing more than a twinkle in someone’s eye.

I then hit the nail on the head by suggesting this so called draft was nothing more than a proposal from the NTA. In fact what I said was this, what he means is that the secret society known as the NTA has put forward a resolution, that’s all. As usual the NTA is chit scared of having it scrutinised because the rest of the taxi trade might laff at it.

And then you came out with this crock o chit,

You need a new crystal ball, because your one is broken, I am sure all will be revealed as time goes on.

I responded with this little observation.

Well if you have read a draft as you say you have then it certainly hasn't come from the DfT. So the draft is not draft and it can only be a proposal by some outfit that is going to have to convince the DfT to change the law and I can't see that happening.

Therefore anyone with an ounce of sense would no doubt deduce where the document has come from because there are only a few elements that are stupid enough to try and tinker with the legislation. The top of the list is region 2 of the NTA, Mr Casey’s mob. So whose crystal ball is in need of repair, yours, or mine? If it isn't the NTA then the only other parties it could be is either Liverpool or Newcastle who have both been vociferous.

Perhaps you can tell me what reasons these spineless individuals have given for trying to amend legislation which is going to prohibit innovation and hit hackney carriage drivers in the pocket? It would appear you guys haven't a got a clue what your doing, we should be rid of the lot of you.

No wonder your chit scared of showing these so called proposals.

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I think to tinker with the 1976 act is not ness a good thing.

The cross border issue is a mess, but it happens to be a manageable mess IMO.

If some consider adding taxis to section 46 to be a good thing, they might be right. But they might be wrong. :-k

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1.. There is nothing secret about associations they are for members.....
2.. you are more Secret about yourself than anybody else....
3.. I know many people in associations and unions by their full names..
4.. You are left out of the loop by your very secrecy....
5.. Next time you're on a fishing expedition.... get yourself a bigger net.
6. Your still not even warm...
now you need to go and kick the cat...PS remember the Pink Ladies. :wink:

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1.. There is nothing secret about associations they are for members.....


Well thats fine by me perhaps the NTA and the TGWU will now stop saying they represent the Taxi Trade and tell us just how many members they do represent, or should I tell you how many they represent? Less than 5% of the taxi trade is in the T&G and less than 3% is in the NTA so how does that fit into your representational jigsaw?

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I see your imagination is working overtime as usual, the NTA & T&G have only ever claimed to represent their members, and if it wasn't for their presence than the trade would have no representation at all, and judging by your figures it would seem the majority of drivers have no interest in these things, for if they did this conversation would not be taking place. the easiest thing in the world to do is to criticise, it seems to be your speciality, sorry I forgot the ego trip thing as well. :wink:

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.... it would seem the majority of drivers have no interest in these things, for if they did this conversation would not be taking place. ....
It's not that I have no interest in these things, I choose not to be represented by these people. My choice. And the choice of many others as well :wink:

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The cross border issue is a mess, but it happens to be a manageable mess IMO.


How can you say that the cross border issue is manageable when I can be stopped by my LO at any time and be checked ................. but a car licensed outside of my borough can only be test purchased if it is thought to be plying for hire.

The problem is that it is NOT manageable .............. and that is why the law should be changed to reflect the possible implications to public safety.

I must also add that the situation being discussed within this thread resolves around a person operating a HC from his home address, which happens to be in a different licensing area to that which issues his licences.

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as all Berwick are doing is issuing a licence to an applicant who passes the criteria for that hackney badge,which i am sure they are bound by law to do so :?


They are issuing a licence to a person who meets the criteria to drive in Berwick.

Legally within their rights, no-one has any doubt .................. but morally ???????????

For instance .................. what are Berwick upon Tweed Council doing with the increased revenue ?????????? and are either you or they aware that there is no legal requirement for a person to be licensed to accept bookings for HC. Some people have been refused a licence to operate PH vehicles in many areas ............. why then should they be allowed to operate HC (regardless of where they are licensed) in the same area where they do not meet the PH operator criteria.

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How can you say that the cross border issue is manageable when I can be stopped by my LO at any time and be checked ................. but a car licensed outside of my borough can only be test purchased if it is thought to be plying for hire.

A police officer can stop any car, and a VOSA man can check any car.

How do you think LOs organise spot-checks at airports with umpteen different area's vehicles?

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