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As I have said, IMO the Berwick issue is a mess. But surely it would be better just to pressure them into reviewing their age limits.

I can see some merit in getting all non-rank/street taxi work recorded, in the same way as PH work is recorded.

But I think a policy which leads to 1000s of cab drivers having to get an operator's license costing £100s every three years isn't going to be a popular one. :shock:


At the moment all I have read is a discussion document with proposed changes , I am quite certain that anything that is likely to cost drivers money will be pointed out and that different point's of view will be aired...... I don't hear any fat lady singing at the moment. :wink:

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Yes JD... I certainly did criticise the NTTG, or should I say the committee that controls it. which is made up of members from Manchester and Liverpool, I expressed my opinion that they had turned it into their own private Association for their own purposes, unfortunately from time to time that happens, for that is the nature of the beast , and when that happens people need to speak out which I did under my own name not from some dark hidden place on the web...

well you finally got something right, I have always said I represent the fleet's in Sefton, now let me see, would it be hundreds of fleets, thousands of fleets, millions of fleet owners.........Er... or maybe a handful......

Oh by the way you might like to know I had just resigned from that position....... it is time for somebody else ......

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At the moment all I have read is a discussion document with proposed changes , I am quite certain that anything that is likely to cost drivers money will be pointed out and that different point's of view will be aired...... I don't hear any fat lady singing at the moment. :wink:

I agree with that 100%, but both of us are wise enough to know that many decisions are decided before they go out to consultation. :shock:

As I said the Berwick situation is a big bad mess, but is it serious enough to force wholesale change to the way 1000s of cab drivers work? :-k

Maybe if a definition of a taxi/PH firm could be found, that didn't effect the one-man band cabby's ability to take phone work without an ops license, but that is a minefield of greyness I believe we don't need. :-s

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Sussex wrote:
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At the moment all I have read is a discussion document with proposed changes , I am quite certain that anything that is likely to cost drivers money will be pointed out and that different point's of view will be aired...... I don't hear any fat lady singing at the moment. :wink:

I agree with that 100%, but both of us are wise enough to know that many decisions are decided before they go out to consultation. :shock:

As I said the Berwick situation is a big bad mess, but is it serious enough to force wholesale change to the way 1000s of cab drivers work? :-k

Maybe if a definition of a taxi/PH firm could be found, that didn't effect the one-man band cabby's ability to take phone work without an ops license, but that is a minefield of greyness I believe we don't need. :-s


Usually the decisions are made at DFT level and then sent out, but this time as with the Pink Ladies it is the opposite way round, with a little bit of luck.

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I accept that terminology is important Sussex you old fruit ............................... but the fact that there is no licence requirement to operate HC vehicles or accept bookings on behalf of HC vehicles has implications which are not being properly discussed.

B. Lucky :D


Ok, so remind us again why you think it is "NECESSARY" to bring hackney carriages under "private hire" legislation when parliament thought otherwise? And also tell us why you and the Rest of your crew in the North East, think you have the given right to dictate to the majority of the hackney carriage trade the laws they can work under?


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What crew JD ??????????

I think that it is wrong ................... or are you suggesting that I'm not entitled to my own opinion on the subject ?????

You raise more questions than you answer :x

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I accept that terminology is important Sussex you old fruit ............................... but the fact that there is no licence requirement to operate HC vehicles or accept bookings on behalf of HC vehicles has implications which are not being properly discussed.

B. Lucky :D


Ok, so remind us again why you think it is "NECESSARY" to bring hackney carriages under "private hire" legislation when parliament thought otherwise? And also tell us why you and the Rest of your crew in the North East, think you have the given right to dictate to the majority of the hackney carriage trade the laws they can work under?


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What crew JD ??????????

I think that it is wrong ................... or are you suggesting that I'm not entitled to my own opinion on the subject ?????

You raise more questions than you answer :x

B. Lucky :twisted:


GA. it's all your fault again, the amount of things that he holds you responsible for is amazing

PS... when are we going shooting those ducks with your mate..

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Tell me Trevor, in this proposed amendment of the NTA, will London cabbies who live outside the London area or, are on a job outside the London area be able to take telephone bookings either mobile or otherwise, legally or will this amendment make it illegal?

Having discussed this with Casey in a different thread many months ago I already assume that the excercise of the amendment will be to stop cross border hiring so one would assume that London cabbies fit into that equation, because if we have to comply with it, then so will they? I just wonder what the London cab trade will say when they see what I assume is a dogs dinner of an amendment.

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JD.... I know the T&G have copies of the proposals, and certainly have London members. :wink:
PS.. my dogs are very particular about what they eat.... or whom. :lol:

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Well I'm a licenced hack even though its a saloon, and I'm a one man band and my cab is my office, so i receive all my calls in the cab or at home, just one question that some one could answer for me, if I take a call do i class it as hack or PH if its PH do you have to use the meter as the few PH's here do not have them, :?: :?:


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JD.... I know the T&G have copies of the proposals, and certainly have London members. :wink:
PS.. my dogs are very particular about what they eat.... or whom. :lol:


I didn't ask who had coppies, I know I don't have one but I'm hoping some generous person might send me one in the next few days? However getting to the point, "you failed to answer the question" and I must remind you that you also failed to answer the previous question I asked. I wonder if you are stuck for words?

Perhaps I can help you,

Would i be right in saying that every hackney carriage driver will have to have an operators license if they want to take bookings at home? You do agree with that don't you? And if you are in another area a hackney carriage driver won't be able to take a mobile telephone booking because you have just made it an offence? Would that be right? Also any London cab or Scottish cab who takes a mobile booking while in a controlled district under the 1976 act will also be committing an offence, is that also right?

There, I've answered the question for you. Now perhaps you would be kind enough to answer the previous question that I asked, of both you and GA because I'm not in a position to do it for you.

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PS.. my dogs are very particular about what they eat.... or whom. :lol:


So apart from removing the freedoms and innovation of how hackney carriage drivers operate and binding them with shackles, how do your proposals benefit hackney carriage drivers?

And why should people like you, who doesn't drive a hackney carriage be telling people like me who does drive a hackney carriage, how I should work?

And don't give me the Berwick croc o chit because it won't wash.

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Perhaps its time for taxi drivers of all persuasions to start an organisation of their own, I suggest we call it the "National Taxi drivers association" and perhaps then we can advise the DfT what we want and not leave it to those who's interests are incompatible with our own.

I was talking to some colleagues today about this so called proposal, owner/drivers who have been in the trade a long time and you would not believe this because I certainly didn't, they asked me "who is the NTA"? Now how about that? lol, I wonder how many other owner/drivers are in the same position?

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Is it the job of a Police Officer to stop a Taxi to check the credentials of the driver ...................... well, obviously it is, but only when that officer has just cause to believe that an offence is being committed.

One thing i do not understand about you saying that the police have to have a reason leaves me confused.
in my area across the river from you GA, we often have spot checks on our cars and there is often a police officer present with the council vehicle tester and the enforcement officer when this check takes place...........Do you get the same checks where you are :?:

Anyway my point was that the police do have the authority(it seems) to check any vehicle they like...................

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skippy41 wrote:
Well I'm a licenced hack even though its a saloon, and I'm a one man band and my cab is my office, so i receive all my calls in the cab or at home, just one question that some one could answer for me, if I take a call do i class it as hack or PH if its PH do you have to use the meter as the few PH's here do not have them, :?: :?:


As I understand things if you are a hack, then you must use the meter. You can't charge more than the metered rate for the job unless it is going to take you outside your licensing area. You also can't charge a pick up fee for instance if you have to travel say 3 miles to the pick up and the job is a 1 mile run, you can only charge for the 1 mile run.

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Is it the job of a Police Officer to stop a Taxi to check the credentials of the driver ...................... well, obviously it is, but only when that officer has just cause to believe that an offence is being committed.

One thing i do not understand about you saying that the police have to have a reason leaves me confused.
in my area across the river from you GA, we often have spot checks on our cars and there is often a police officer present with the council vehicle tester and the enforcement officer when this check takes place...........Do you get the same checks where you are :?:

Anyway my point was that the police do have the authority(it seems) to check any vehicle they like...................

Once the police officer has stopped the vehicle then and only then can a council officer check your vehicle.... council officers do not have the power to stop..
in Sefton a number of years ago the traffic police were given rectification notices that they could issue to both hackney and private hire which greatly extended their powers as to what they could put a vehicle off the road for, too many mistakes were made by the police so that was scrapped,

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