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Was he part of the delegation?

The NTA has differing forms of membership, sufficed to say not all associations pay pro rata.

CC

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Considering he knows so much about it i assume he was, however if you are saying he wasn't then we on TDO will take your word for it.



Yes I know but collectively according to your statement the fees didn't exceed 25 grand. Therefore I was being generous in allocating you with 1250 individual paid up affiliated members who belong to local taxi associations.

JD

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I wasnt saying anything I asked a question..Was he part of the delegation?

You are not being generous.....not all associations pay pro rata

CC

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I assumed so considering he is affiliated to your organisation but if you say he wasn't part of your delegation that attended either of the two meetings then I shall take your word for it.

Considering the object of the exercise is to create dialogue within the Taxi trade then I can't see why those who put themselves in a position to help orchestrate these changes on behalf of the Taxi trade shouldn't be held accountable to the Taxi trade?

I'm sure you don't count your 1250 affiliated members as being the Taxi trade do you? What about the other 70 thousand plus drivers and owners your organisation doesn't represent?

Regards

JD

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So what are the provisions?

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The NTA was represented at the meeting(s) by its chairman and vice chairman, nta directos have recived one report on the first meeting, a second one is due at a meeting prior to the agm.

Other persons attending the meeting such as the gentleman in question and indeed myself were observers.

I have difficulty with the following statement of yours, I wonder if you could help?

Considering the object of the exercise is to create dialogue within the Taxi trade then I can't see why those who put themselves in a position to help orchestrate these changes on behalf of the Taxi trade shouldn't be held accountable to the Taxi trade?

The point made above is surely three fold.

If the exersize was to create dialogue then it was successful.

The persons who arranged the dialogue cannot be held responsible for anything other that getting the various representatives around the same table.

The only people the representatives around the table are accountable to is their members.

You seem to have deliberately missed the not all associations pay pro rata bit, but please, carry on digging.

CC

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The provisions that existed prior to Eastbourne are to be found in the Scampion case. Since the Scampion verdict Eastbourne has put a completely different perspective on making oneself available to the public and what amounts to a public place. Watford fell foul of the Eastbourne verdict and any hackney carriage outside of Watford who were invited to ply for hire on Watford Station by the station owners would have also fell foul of the law in respect of plying for public hire. Hence the vacation of the vehicles by the private hire drivers on Watford Station.

Regards

JD
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But would it matter that because of the size of an airport it's unlikely that vehicles could be seen from the public land outside?

Or because anyone could in effect enter an airport even though it's private land, does that matter?

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Imparting that information to us mere mortals on TDO is most refreshing.



So he was there as part of the NTA delegation albeit as an observer. Unless he invited himself along?



Having been told these proposals are for discussion amongst the Taxi trade then I cannot see why you have difficulty in understanding that the Taxi trade means everyone, and not just the minority of people you or these other individuals represent?



I'm afraid captain that so far the exercise has been far from successful because if it hadn't been for TDO then no one would have known about these proposals, except your members and those who were present at these discussions?

Now what I will say is this, if like you say, that you have informed all your affiliated associations and that they in turn have informed all members of their local association then I shall give you credit but I can categorically say that individual members and even many local branches of the rest of the organisations that attended these meetings have not been informed and I suspect there was probably no intention of ever informing them until a deal was struck which enabled these proposals to be carried forward to the DfT.



Well I have an understanding who the prime mover was who instigated the idea of a meeting of minds but considering we are being candid and it has no bearing on your internal vow of secrecy to your association then it shouldn't present any problems for you to give us your appraisal of who did initiated this meeting of minds process?



I see, so in that case who gave you permission to act on behalf of the majority of the Taxi trade in trying to bring about changes that the majority of the Taxi trade has not asked for?

If as you say you are only accountable to the 1250 individual members affiliated to the NTA through local hackney carriage associations then why are you sat around a table with other minority groups making decisions that will impact on the majority of people who do not wish to be a part of your association?



I can only go by what you said and you said collectively that you got less than 25 grand in annual subscriptions. If you want to be even more generous then i can up it to 50 grand which would give you a total of 2500 individual associated members, which still leaves over 70 thousand individuals that you don't represent.

Regards

JD

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I dont make a habit of arguing with scousers



There's an application form on the NTA website, if you want to contribute to the NTA input then I'm sure members would be delighted to hear from you.



Utter sh1te JD, if it hadnt been for MrT winding you up you mean and I must admit, it did actually work.




The NTA are to discuss these, other and possible ammendments at its AGM.

I cannot say what the others are proposing to do because I am not a member of the others. I must admit my surprise at the Manchester people though, its obvious to all you have contacts within TODA and they seem to have kept the matter to themselves.



I have found in my few short years dealing with the taxi trade, you have a situation where everyone will take credit for one thing and by an equal measure, all will completely step away from something more contentious.




What changes?



Your figures are inaccurate.

The objectives of the National Taxi Association contained in the Articles are as follows:

in keeping with the highest standards of service to the general public, with the purpose that each of its members may earn a deserved success through his efforts within this industry, the objectives of this association shall be to carry on important activities in the common interest of all its members, to cultivate acquaintance, fellowship, co-operation, goodwill and a professional spirit among them;

to facilitate the exchange of ideas and methods;

to recognise and honour their exceptional services and achievements;

And, as it may affect their interests,

to further the efficiency of service to the general public;

to promote the study of the service;

to aid in the maintenance;

to advise in the enactment of just, equitable and constructive legislation;

to foster the continuity of the Association;

to assist its members in all and every way possible;

to encourage the development of younger members;

to gather, organise, keep on file and diffuse useful information;

to facilitate research in all functions of the licensed hackney carriage business and to acquire and maintain all pertinent material thereto;

to conduct Annual General, Special General and General Committee Meetings for its members.

Regards

CC

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Is that secret code to say my observations were correct, thank you, I thought I would get to the bottom of it sooner or later?



First an invitation from Mr Flanagan to join the GMB and now an invitation from you to join the NTA lol. I am flattered.




I see, so Mr T wound me up lol I wonder where we would be if I had completely ignored Mr T's remark? Perhaps someone else would have picked up on it but whom?

I don't think there are many people on here who would agree with you that Mr T could wind me or anyone else up for that matter but you are entitled to your opinion. lol



I did actually say that one of the reasons you were keeping this under wraps was in order to present it to your AGM for Royal assent. However we shall be presenting it to subscribers of TDO long before it is discussed by delegates of the NTA.



Well I can assure you what they haven't done but both you and they can rest assured that TDO will do it for them.



Perhaps it might be easier for you to just tell us who contacted the NTA and proposed this gathering, thats not too hard a question to resolve.



The changes proposed in these amendments, unless of course you are insinuating that the proposed changes up for discussion are a mirage of our imagination?



They are not my figures but yours.

25,000 divided by 20 = 1250

hard to get away from I know but perhaps you should have thought of that before you said it? lol

If you wish to advise us of how many individual members you have at a 100 pounds then perhaps I can adjust the figure downwards?

Anyway I know how you like to keep your membership numbers secret so we won't hold that against you. I'm sure the guys who subscribe to TDO are having a little chuckle to themselves at the predicament you find yourself in but we do appreciate your somewhat laboured attempt at answering some of the questions associated with this meeting of minds exercise.

Regards

JD

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No that isnt a secret code....your assumptions were incorrect.



Quite



indeed



Not quite, I have received numerous calls regarding the discussion document from NTA members. Unfortunately you dont seem to understand how associations work.



Okay, this is really quite interesting because I dont know what the membership of the NTA will propose to do about the discussion document, and as what you have so far seen isnt the finished article, its fair to summise that you dont know either.



You absolutely correct, it isnt hard to resolve.



They are not proposed changes....they are a starting point for people to go back to their respective bodies for discussion and ammending or maybe even binning.



You must have an old copy of the constitution, the membership situation has been changed.

CC

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CC.. JD was always bad with his maths, and the really astonishing thing is he believes that estimations are the final figure... as you know I was a member of the NTTG committee... the figure of 50,000 .. was an estimate...... the money collected was £80,000 + in a few weeks from not a great many areas..... I think you should tell JD.. that the NTA is not run to make a profit.... but must cover the expanses .

I would also be interested to know exactly how he thinks you should contact every other driver in this country... and why he thinks it is your responsibility to personally contact them..
And one last thing JD... you are predictable.. the reason I teased you into Creating a drama out of this.... was to let people know what was happening out in the real world. and I am more than happy for them to draw their own conclusions about a discussion document.... I should really say the small world of TDO..... and I think up to now it has worked very well...... and so as you know... I did attend a meeting... I made the tea.

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Not interested in hypotheticals or lame excuses. Mr Casey said the NTA subscription fees for that year did not exceed 25 grand. That is a fact.

You don't like the thought of NTA membership numbers being exposed and that is obviously understandable. However they are well and truly out in the open and there they shall remain.



Whats that got to do with Captain cab stating that the NTA received less than 25 grand subscription fees?



Did I say Wayne should contact every driver in the country? lol I think not.



Wow! Did I also say that toooooo?



lol You mean I'm not full of surprises? Perhaps you can predict my next move lol I would love to know what I'm going to do next?

I don't think there is any drama associated with this document in fact the people who advocate and voiced their opinion on what needed changing at the first meeting of minds are deadly serious and that includes your representatives from the NTA.

If you would like us to believe that these proposals for discussion are mere play acting then I'm afraid you are trying to convince the wrong people. We can spot a Trojan horse when we see one.

I just wonder why you and the NTA are so afraid to tell us what it is you want to achieve and why? If you can't answer that question then whats the point of discussing this document with the rest of the Taxi trade?

Why don't you put it in writing so we can all see your reasoning of what you wish to achieve and why, or is that too difficult a request?

Regards

JD

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I know exactly what you will do next.. the same as you do now.... fantasise..
keep on posting JD....

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