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Quite how the ISA safe-guard scheme differs from an Enhanced CRB I know not, but it looks like we are going to have to register if we pick up kids or OAPs.

The world has gone mad. [-(

http://www.dfes.gov.uk/consultations/co ... ionId=1516

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Taken from the above link. ](*,)

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3.21 Under the legislation the act of driving a vehicle which is being used solely for the purpose of transporting children and/or vulnerable adults and any person responsible for supervising or caring for them will be classed as regulated activity, subject to regulations that may prescribe the circumstances in which these provisions will apply. Any person subject to the relevant provisions and any associated regulations will therefore be subject to the requirements of the scheme.

3.22 We are proposing to use this regulation- making power to clarify certain circumstances where it should be regulated activity where people exclusively transport children and/or vulnerable adults.

3.23 For example, a school may organise taxi or bus services to collect children and in this situation, all the taxi or bus driver is doing is driving the child to school. A similar situation may arise in relation to vulnerable adults where a care home arranges a taxi to take residents to church on a weekly basis. These regulations are intended to clarify that such persons are subject to the requirements in relation to regulated activity where they carry out this activity frequently or intensively.

3.24 We are proposing that the following circumstances be classed as regulated activity in relation to children and vulnerable adults and that where an individual drives a vehicle, meeting the frequency or intensity test, which is exclusively for conveying children or vulnerable adults, or escorts a child/vulnerable adult on such a service, he or she is engaged in regulated activity.

It is proposed that the following are classed as regulated activity in relation to children.

Transporting children to and from services which are regulated activity, e.g. to and from school, early years settings, children’s drama club or Brownie camp. This would apply where a vehicle is owned or operated by the provider of the service, such as a mini bus operated by a school, early years setting, Scout group etc. In these circumstances driving that vehicle should be classed as regulated activity, whether or not there are additional adults in the vehicle whose job is to supervise the children such as a teacher or scout leader.

Where a vehicle is commissioned by a service provider such as a school, early years setting, sports club or by a local authority, Education and Library Board or a Health and Social Services Body under a formal agreement or contract, e.g. a taxi or bus organised by a school or local authority to regularly or frequently transport children to school or another regulated activity such as a sports club. Driving such a vehicle should again be classed as regulated activity.

Escorting a child to or from school or another regulated activity such as early years setting, sports club under arrangements made by or on behalf of a local authority an Education and Library Board or Health and Social Services Body is also regulated activity. The escort is contracted by the local authority, an Education and Library Board or Health and Social Services Body or the operator themselves. Escorts will generally be used for taxi journeys or on mini buses.

It is proposed that the following are classed as regulated activity in relation to vulnerable adults.

People who transport vulnerable adults within the social care sector, e.g. to and from care homes, sheltered housing and/or day care centres. Where a vehicle is owned or operated by the provider of the social care service, such as a mini bus operated by a day care centre, driving that vehicle should be classed as regulated activity. Where a vehicle is commissioned by the service provider under a formal agreement or contract, e.g. a taxi organised by a day centre to regularly or frequently transport older people to the centre, driving such a vehicle should again be classed as regulated activity. In such circumstances there would need to be a contractual arrangement between the service provider and the transport provider as we would not wish to catch one-off trips.

People who drive ambulances and other vehicles transporting patients on behalf of the NHS or Health and Social Care sector in Northern Ireland and/or independent sector healthcare providers will also be engaged in regulated activity. In some cases they will already be engaged in regulated activity as their work involves treating and caring for patients but the regulations will make clear that all such drivers are engaged in regulated activity

3.25 The policy is not intended to cover individuals who engage in the following activities;

Driving a taxi with an unaccompanied child if this is not part of a contract but a result of, say, a 16 year old hailing a taxi or a parent booking a taxi privately for a child.

Bus drivers who work on a mainstream bus route which includes a school (for example) but who are not contracted by a regulated activity provider such as a school or by the local authority or Education and Library Board in Northern Ireland to transport the children to a regulated activity e.g. school, nursery.

People who transport vulnerable adults in settings other than those mentioned above, e.g. coach holidays targeted at older people. Such arrangements are part of people's private lives and should not be regulated activity.

Where vulnerable adults organise their own transport, such as an older person who books a taxi him/herself to travel to a day centre, driving such vehicles should not be classed as regulated activity as this is a private arrangement.

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And it's going to cost more than an Enhanced CRB. ](*,)

We are not yet in a position to announce the level of the fee. For initial applications to the scheme, there will be two elements to the fee: firstly a sum equivalent to the current CRB Enhanced Disclosure fee, because the CRB/ANI will need to undertake initial work on receiving an application that is equivalent to the work involved in compiling an Enhanced Disclosure. In Northern Ireland, it is envisaged that the Enhanced Disclosure fee will be set at a similar level. A second element of the fee will cover the cost of the ISA administration and the cost of running the scheme including continuous monitoring and the on-line checks (which will be free at the point the check is made). This second element will be payable only once, at the point of entry to the scheme

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And what happens when you get licensed by your council to work with kids and OAPs, as we all are, and something in the past stops you getting on the ISA list?

This is going to be a nightmare, and a very long and dark one. :sad:

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If cabbies undertaking such contracts even with an escort have to be registered then I can forsee an awful lot of authorities being short of transport. However if school contracts are your main business then perhaps you can pass on any registration fees to the local authority by insisting on a surcharge to cover these fees. There may be a shortage of drivers if this scheme is implemented or alternately it might increase costs for local authorities. The registration doesn't appear to be cumbersome but the cost element might put some people off registering.

I think there is scope for manouverability in the consultation to exclude cab drivers who carry escorts as part of any contract and if they decline then those responsible are going to miss out on a ready made service sector. Therefore it is in their interest to either make registration free for cabbies or exempt them where an escort is provided. Cabbies can then refuse any contract if an escort is not provided.

Perhaps they should also make provision in this legislation "that all wheelchair bound passengers must be accompanied by an "able" escort proficient in installing and removing wheelchair bound passengers from Taxis and other similiar vehicles". That would save us all a lot of trouble and lessen the potential for insurance claims.

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I wonder how many taxi/PH drivers, that work on a radio circuit, wouldn't need one of these new checks?

I'm guessing very few, if any.

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I wonder if this Limo man would have passed the ISA. :shock:

http://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/black ... 3606647.jp

Still the Limo folks keep telling me they never have a problem. :^o

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Accorrding to the Institute of Licensing it looks like those of us working with kids or old dears will need one of these from October 2009.

http://www.instituteoflicensing.org/art ... gency.html

That's the bad news, but maybe the good news is that so will those unlicensed limo drivers. :D

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It is extremely interesting to see the reaction that is taking place, it is my understanding that this is a discussion document at present, in fact on Monday or Tuesday of this week, there was a meeting were many delegates from national associations and other interested parties met.
It is my understanding that the intention is to set a national scheme that all councils must apply by , it is not clear yet as to whether the hackney and private hire trade will be included, but I bet they are.
From what I know it will be an online database which any employer can check, the fee I believe will be a one-off payment, and the database will be continuously updated by the police, I asked the question regarding drivers from abroad, and was told that the police in different countries are bring their systems up to standard with ours.
I am also led to believe that it is expected to take five years for this to be brought in, and it would seem that if you are not on the database then the council will not be allowed to issue a licence

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a driver was telling me he has had 4 CRB checks, one for PH, one for York Council school run, one for North Yorkshire school run, and now he has come over to Hack, another CRB check

surely you would have thought one would cover the lot


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Stinky Pete wrote:
a driver was telling me he has had 4 CRB checks, one for PH, one for York Council school run, one for North Yorkshire school run, and now he has come over to Hack, another CRB check

surely you would have thought one would cover the lot

I think there is a chance this new ISA system might sort out this stupidity.

Let's hope is a good chance.

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Stinky Pete wrote:
a driver was telling me he has had 4 CRB checks, one for PH, one for York Council school run, one for North Yorkshire school run, and now he has come over to Hack, another CRB check

surely you would have thought one would cover the lot


This used to be a problem in Sefton many years ago now,but it was resolved by simply arranging for the hackney licencing dept. to have dialogue with the appropriate dept. in charge of school contract work. It was pointed out that drivers could not be given a licence without the CRB check so what was the point of checking twice.

All it takes is some common sense.

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It was pointed out that drivers could not be given a licence without the CRB check so what was the point of checking twice.

When I mentioned this to our County Council the woman said "These are the rules for applying for a School contract take it or leave it. If you have a CRB that is less than 6 months old fine otherwise you get a new one" :sad:

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