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Yes I know that, so in reality what you are saying is that it is prone to a conflict of interest? We can assume then that it doesn't represent the interests of private hire drivers. Whether it represents the interests of private hire operators is another matter but to what degree does it represent the interests of the hackney carriage trade? I know for a fact that the organisation is reviled in Manchester so who and what in the hackney carriage trade does it represent?

Regards

JD

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Join and ask him yourself
No disrespect.... but I'm not going to turn myself into an advert.... like some on here have.
I am also a number of the NTA.. but I don't advertise them do I.

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Justice for the 96. It has only taken 27 years...........repeat the same lies for 27 years and the truth sounds strange to people!

In other words you don't know so why then did you round on BB for asking a straight forward question?

Would it be fair to say that the association has no democratic process for the election or removal of officials and therefore does it have the moral right to say it represents anyone.

What does joining this organisation actually get you?

When its sits around the table who does it say it represents and where does it get its mandate?

Regards

JD

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I can assure you Mr T I was not trying to discredit Mr Rowlands, he is a very knowledgeable person on trade matters. The reason I asked the questions regarding membership voting rights, was simply because I was looking at the Dft web site and noticed this list.

http://www.dft.gov.uk/transportforyou/a ... ulcontacts

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Mick Hildreth (07814 032002)
GMB PDB P39 Southern Region Branch Secretary
mick.hildreth@gmbtaxis.org.uk
www.gmbpdb.org.uk

I suppose you can see why some of us are confused at an organisation with the name "National Private Hire Association" which you say represents the hackney carriage trade.

Regards

JD

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I think Bryan represents himself. The NPHA is a business and has membership from Operators and taxi associations.

It does, I believe , have a board, but I haven't a clue who is on it.

But I can say that membership fee is excellent value for money if you want expert advice on legal issues relating to the trade.Bryan recently gave me enough evidence and information to blow our district's new policy proposals right out of the water.

As with any industry our size it is impossible for one voice to speak for all. The NPHA is constantly asked for opinions and they are Bryan's interpretations of what he deems best. But he does write up his viewpoints every month in the magazine and you are free to write in and disagree with him if you wish.

You cannot accuse him of being secretive and his opinions are balanced. By that I mean he pleases and [edited by admin] you off in equal measures.

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A member of the Hire or Reward Industry

Yes that's how I see it. The application form states "OPERATOR’S APPLICATION FORM". It then goes on to list various details such as company address etc and the number of vehicles operated by the company but it doesn't mention drivers.

The form then says,

I ON BEHALF OF THE ABOVE COMPANY, WISH TO BE CONSIDERED FOR MEMBERSHIP OF THE NATIONAL PRIVATE HIRE ASSOCIATION

When it comes to consultations with the DfT or anyone else for that matter it would appear Private hire drivers have never given Mr Rolands a mandate to act on their behalf or have they? Have you given Mr Roland a mandate to act on your behalf? How was that mandate given and what was the process?

I think we can safely assume as you rightly say that the NPHA is a business and it has nothing whatsoever to do with being mandated by private hire drivers to act on their behalf.

No one is suggesting that Mr Rolands is not a competent fellow but a name is only a name and no way does it legitimise the non representation of those private hire drivers who one might perceive it represents.

I'm glad you joined this debate Tom because I know you subscribe to the NPHA but how does your membership affect your drivers, for instance they obviously have no input into the NPHA but what happens when their interests as drivers conflict with your own interest as an operator? Or don't you have any conflicts of interest?



So it has a board that is immune to the democratic process of election? In other words people are appointed to the board rather than elected?



That's excellent news, what proposals did your council have in mind?



In order to speak for anyone you must first have a mandate and second you must have a democratic process that elects you as the spokesperson. I don't believe Mr Roland has been elected by anyone has he? However if I am wrong then perhaps someone will correct my observation?



Best for who? Private hire operators, Private hire drivers, private hire proprietors, Hackney carriage proprietors, hackney carriage drivers, hackney carriage radio circuit operators or licensing officers?

Each section of the trade has a different opinion in many areas of the workings of the taxi trade, that is why there is this great divide between hackney carriage and private hire. I think we should shine a brighter light on the NPHA and determine exactly who and what it actually represents? If indeed it represents anyone at all?

Regards

JD

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A knowledgeable one, but defo a one man band.

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IDFIMH

I think Tom has given you a fairly good answer.... and as a member he is only a phone call away from any advice he needs.....BB says he is a member so if his was a genuine query he is only a phone call away as well... mischief-making is all I see in this thread and yet again it comes from the GMB...

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Justice for the 96. It has only taken 27 years...........repeat the same lies for 27 years and the truth sounds strange to people!

So let me get this right: you let councillors dictate your value and self-worth within your own profession and then you attempt to meet the standard, prescribed by them, in hope of passing said standard to do the job you’ve always done?


Ahhhhhh now I understand , you are all kiss ass scumbags hoping to meet a standard dictated by your betters.

Well, why didn’t you say?

God forbid, just imagine if you actually knew your own self-worth, without the butcher, the baker, and the candlestick maker dictating it for you?


Is it no wonder that councillors see you lot as the shi* on their shoes?

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All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.
George Orwell, "Animal Farm"

After reading the above post.... I do realise I have a great deal to be thankful for.

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Justice for the 96. It has only taken 27 years...........repeat the same lies for 27 years and the truth sounds strange to people!

Ah, so you've read my post in response to your apology to JD?

Some people are so predictable

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All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.
George Orwell, "Animal Farm"

Come on Mr. T, line them up to be slaughtered by your chums on the council?

That's the way it works with guys like you does it not? Some things never change Mr. Scorpion

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All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.
George Orwell, "Animal Farm"

yes you are

Only a scorpion.... surely you can be more imaginative than that...

Anyway Skull... how are things with you.... brought down the walls of Edinburgh yet,
I have a grave reservation that I should not have said that.

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Justice for the 96. It has only taken 27 years...........repeat the same lies for 27 years and the truth sounds strange to people!

Consider the "scorpion" comment a complement.


Edinburgh is fecked, the work is drying up, drivers are paying top dollar rentals for feck all.

It only took a downturn in the economy to prove our case.

Why shouldn't a driver have his own cab without paying an artificial plate value?

Answer: a depreciating market with diminishing returns - you earn less but you pay out more for the privilege.


Mad as mad could be, the average Edinburgh Cabbie isn't bright but then again, how bright do you have to be to know it's a pile of shi* ?

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All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.
George Orwell, "Animal Farm"