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Oh no Sussex ............... this is opening a whole series of new allegations, but the wonderful world of computers connected to the www uncovers and records many things of great interest.

Just put up or shut up.

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I think anyone who abuses the law is beneath contempt ................ however if that accusation is underhandedly directed at me then I would request that you elaborate further, and in turn I will.

I don't have too, I can sleep very easy at night thank you.

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The mere fact that they are representative groups clearly signifies that the membership would need to be consulted, this has been accepted as a fact within the reports

Yes you would have thought so, so why was the letter dated the day of the MoM meeting?

How could anyone debate with their members the late proposal by the NPHA?

Still NALEO will be very pleased that we have licensed drivers just like you who are prepared to accept what others agree on their behalf. [-(


The date on the proposals was the date of the meeting?????????????

Possibly a referance point for the author ................. but if it pleases you to try and incinuate other signifigance to strengthen your argument then so be it.

I can, and am able to speak for myself Mr Sussex as well as write to any authroity and put forward my own viewpoint ................... but you know the reality is that the vast majority of taxi drivers in the UK are quite happy to "go with the flow" as it provides them with things to moan about.

I'm as angry about that attitude as you are Sussex me auld fruit ............... but thats the way it is mate.

The fact remains that the proposals were not sent from the MOM group .................... ONLY discussed by them ................. and the representative groups as well as the proposer have identified points which will mean that any further proposals will, with regard the subjects raised, have to be signifigantly altered.

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Oh no Sussex ............... this is opening a whole series of new allegations, but the wonderful world of computers connected to the www uncovers and records many things of great interest.

Just put up or shut up.


Not yet soft lad 8) 8) 8) 8)

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I think anyone who abuses the law is beneath contempt ................ however if that accusation is underhandedly directed at me then I would request that you elaborate further, and in turn I will.

I don't have too, I can sleep very easy at night thank you.


And so you should my little round southern softy mate.

But so should everyone else who does the same thing :wink:

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The date on the proposals was the date of the meeting?????????????

Possibly a referance point for the author ................. but if it pleases you to try and incinuate other signifigance to strengthen your argument then so be it.

I managed to work out for myself that the letter had the same date as the day of the meeting, but that's because the NALEO rep wanted all the other reps to sign up for the proposals there and then. [-X

The fact that some didn't want to sign away the livelihoods of drivers is a good thing, the fact that the trade now know how close it came to these proposals being sent to the DfT, with a large backing of the so-called reps, is even better.

The only way forward IMO is for the DfT to do the arranging of any futher meetings, and inviting all reps from all sides of the trade. Not just a group of North West mates. :wink:

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I can, and am able to speak for myself Mr Sussex as well as write to any authroity and put forward my own viewpoint ................... but you know the reality is that the vast majority of taxi drivers in the UK are quite happy to "go with the flow" as it provides them with things to moan about.

I haven't got a problem with anyone having a different viewpoint to me, FFS this site would be as boring as sh** if we all agreed on everything.

But the simple fact is that no-one would have known, outside of the North West lodge, of what is being decided in 250,000 driver's names.

It has been mentioned that nothing will go ahead unless everyone is agreed, but unless you know about what's being discussed how can anyone object? :?

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The fact remains that the proposals were not sent from the MOM group .................... ONLY discussed by them ................. and the representative groups as well as the proposer have identified points which will mean that any further proposals will, with regard the subjects raised, have to be significantly altered.

Be that as it may, but TBH I have lost faith in these so-called reps.

Not one of those proposals dealt with driver's safety, and nothing discussed will have any impact on drivers earnings.

Yes the Berwick issue could lead to an area not having so many out of town taxis, but the late amendment from the NPHA simply means they will be replaced by out of town PHs. ](*,)

What those proposals dealt with was issues to make the life of a licensing officer easier, and the life of a large taxi boss easier. If ever there was a case of the tail wagging the dog, then this is it. [-(

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The date on the proposals was the date of the meeting?????????????

Possibly a referance point for the author ................. but if it pleases you to try and incinuate other signifigance to strengthen your argument then so be it.


I managed to work out for myself that the letter had the same date as the day of the meeting, but that's because the NALEO rep wanted all the other reps to sign up for the proposals there and then. [-X


But you thought you'd get some milage out of claiming it was proposed to be sent that day.

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The fact that some didn't want to sign away the livelihoods of drivers is a good thing, the fact that the trade now know how close it came to these proposals being sent to the DfT, with a large backing of the so-called reps, is even better.

The only way forward IMO is for the DfT to do the arranging of any futher meetings, and inviting all reps from all sides of the trade. Not just a group of North West mates. :wink:


It didn't come close at all ..................... its just your story sounds better if you suggest iminant doom.

National Taxi Association, National Private Hire Association, National Association of Licensing and Enforcement Officers ......................... surely I'm not the only person who can see the trend here.

B. Lucky :D

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I can, and am able to speak for myself Mr Sussex as well as write to any authroity and put forward my own viewpoint ................... but you know the reality is that the vast majority of taxi drivers in the UK are quite happy to "go with the flow" as it provides them with things to moan about.

I haven't got a problem with anyone having a different viewpoint to me, FFS this site would be as boring as sh** if we all agreed on everything.

But the simple fact is that no-one would have known, outside of the North West lodge, of what is being decided in 250,000 driver's names.

It has been mentioned that nothing will go ahead unless everyone is agreed, but unless you know about what's being discussed how can anyone object? :?


So are you suggesting that 250,000 people meet in one place to disuss the issues they see as relevent in the trade :roll:

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National Taxi Association, National Private Hire Association, National Association of Licensing and Enforcement Officers ......................... surely I'm not the only person who can see the trend here.

The NTA has a website, is the consultation on there?

The NPHA has a website, is the consultation on there?:

NALEO has a website, is the consultation on there?

Even Taxi'talk' has a website, is the consultation on there?

But you are right, there is a trend.

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So are you suggesting that 250,000 people meet in one place to disuss the issues they see as relevent in the trade :roll:

It would be an interesting meet up, but I would imagine it would be best if the consultation was published in all trade mags, and on all trade sites.

But one has to wonder if there is any room left in the trade mags after LTI, Cab Direct, Patons and The Taxi Centre have had their fill. :?

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Sussex wrote:
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National Taxi Association, National Private Hire Association, National Association of Licensing and Enforcement Officers ......................... surely I'm not the only person who can see the trend here.

The NTA has a website, is the consultation on there?

The NPHA has a website, is the consultation on there?:

NALEO has a website, is the consultation on there?

Even Taxi'talk' has a website, is the consultation on there?

But you are right, there is a trend.


The trend is that you believe that the only media consultation can occur is via websites.

The fact is that I would suggest that -

The NTA doesn't have an online forum for disussion.

The NPHA doesn't have an online forum for disussion.

The NALEO doesn't have an online forum for disussion.

and I would further suggest that is because they don't want anonymous scaremongers going on there pendling their twisted versions of events when through the representatives locally the truth can be passed onto their members face to face.

Not your forte though .............. under any alias.

B. Lucky :D

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The trend is that you believe that the only media consultation can occur is via websites.

Well at the moment that just happens to be the case.

Nothing in PHM, nothing in Taxi'talk', but I think a taxi mag based in Yorkshire is going to do their jobs for them. :shock:

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The trend is that you believe that the only media consultation can occur is via websites.

Well at the moment that just happens to be the case.

Nothing in PHM, nothing in Taxi'talk', but I think a taxi mag based in Yorkshire is going to do their jobs for them. :shock:


The problem is that if a driver is not a member of a union or association then you have to question whether they have the right to be informed of the activities of the unions or organisations.

Everything any representative organisation does has benefits and consequences to the trade .................whether that be locally, regionally or nationally ................................. this is no different ..................... the question I ask myself though is why this reaction.

The bottom line here is that nothing was actually proposed by the MOM group ....................... and any calls or suggestions that they would have done if there had been interferance is at best pure speculation.

B. Lucky :D

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