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That's a bit like saying if you aren't a member of the Labour/Tory/Lib party you can't vote.

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IDFIMH

Cos most of the proposals are ill thought out, and detrimental to the vast majority of the taxi/PH trade.

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IDFIMH

I couldn't care less if it's speculation or not, as long as most of the proposals end in the bin.

Cos that's all they deserve, and any driver's association/union that signs up to them, will live to regret it.

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IDFIMH

I must admit that I am guilty of setting you up.

Being able to read you like a book makes that task oh so easy when being able to predict your response.

The questions were asked for a purpose and you didn't dissapoint me. I haven't been well for several weeks now but I'll put you out of your misery as soon as is humanly possible. In the meantime I would read all the minutes again until you understand them because it is obvious you haven't got a clue how this exercise unfolded and the part Mr Eric Payne of the Liverpool T&G played when he begged some of the participants to accept the proposals in principal without consulting anyone, in order that that they could be done and dusted.

You must be really thick not to realise that the letter composed by John Thompson was a conclusion to the exercise and that it was an agreement by all concerned and they the DfT should now take the proposals forward to a national DfT consultation. You only have to read the last two paragraphs of the letter to understand that the letter states everything has been agreed and Thompson would like an acknowledgement by return of post?

You want to get your brain into gear because you really don't a clue of what's being proposed or the way in which these people are trying to railroad it through without explanation or consultation of their very limited membership.

Regards

JD

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No its not Sussex.

If that were the case you would have a say in who lead each of the political parties.

The fact that the decision is made by the members is a clearer comparison but not at all relevant.

B. Lucky

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Skull on TDO

TF pi$$ed on his chips.

But the fact that there were no proposals and that what was disucssed was an agenda item for disussion doesn't seem to have been considered ................... but as it doesn't provide both a sensationalist story and a reason to discredit the MOM group I'm not surprised you didn't mention it.

B. Lucky

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Skull on TDO

TF pi$$ed on his chips.

Was the letter sent to the DfT?

If it were the intention of an individual to "railroad" something through does it not say something about the MOM group that the vast majority demanded that they consult their membership before any further discussions.

Both Mr Payne and Mr Thompson will have (I suppose) to answer the specific allegations you are making about what they intended, I am not in a position to do so.

My opinions about the MOM group are positive, but the need to organise the representation of the taxi trade needs taxi and private hire drivers to join and support if they want to know whats going on.

The fact is that 250,000+ drivers could never achieve anything as individuals, groups whether associations or unions need to be formed and promoted and representatives of those groups should attend conferances where National matters could be disussed.

But JD, you know as well as I do that will never happen .................. and because of that those who choose not to join or form groups will always consider that they are being kept in the dark.

These proposals were, as I understand it for consideration and dicussion by the MOM group ................... the fact that nothing has been proposed from that group to the DfT highlights that the group as a whole were not satisfied with the content of what was presented.

So the MOM group works.

B. Lucky

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Skull on TDO

TF pi$$ed on his chips.

If they were issues to be discussed, then they wouldn't be called proposals.

And let's just remind everyone what was in the letter that nearly went, as JD alluded to;

I am pleased to formally inform you that certain proposals were initially proposed and considered in 2007 agreed in January 2008 and that after a pause for reflection they were finally confirmed as proposals worthy of worthy of a national consultation exercise at a further meeting held today the 15th April 2008.

On behalf of the consultative group I would now request that you undertake a national DfT consultation as above in respect of the proposals contained within the annex attached to this letter. Please acknowledge receipt of this request.

Why would anyone draft a letter with the words above, other than in the belief that it was a 'fait accompli'?

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IDFIMH

I know your sick of me stating the obvious Sussex .................. and I know you've already conformed this earlier ...................... but -

WAS THE LETTER ACTUALLY SENT TO THE DfT ??????????????????

I believe that is the main point that you are not considering.

If someone wants to comply a letter, and put in in a format where it could be sent to the DfT that is surely their choice .................... however what you are alluding to is the fact that the MOM group were going to send the letter .................. and what is obvious is that they did not.

B. Lucky

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Skull on TDO

TF pi$$ed on his chips.

No, because at least one, and it might have been only one, association/union said they didn't work that way.

I haven't missed diddly-squat, it's crystal clear what was going to happen, and we have some folks to thank that it didn't.

No-one is going to waste their time drafting a letter if they don't think it's ever going to be sent. They would be plain stupid.

But what isn't stupid, it was nearly very successful, was an obscene attempt to mug the trade into agreeing to a late proposal from the NPHA. A proposal that would have a massive detrimental effect on a huge number of PH drivers.

But it would make the bosses a few quid.

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IDFIMH

The letter was only a draft letter.... an example.... which Mr Thomson was asked to write... by the other members.... the NTA was not at the meeting. nor was Brian Rowlands .... Mr Page is not a member of the Liverpool T&G... let's be accurate..

I have spoken to the other representatives... one at a time... and none of them believe or are under the impression that anything was being sent to the MFT....

The one thing that is certain is that Mr BB attended the meeting( fact) the question has to be asked is why at the meeting did he not make his concerns felt to the other representatives... the answer is because nothing was taking place..... smoke and mirrors

Any representative worth their salt would have dealt with any issue that was not above board at the time of the meeting..... they would simply have said I am not agreeing to any of the proposals until I have consulted with my members and no communication with the Ministry for Transport can take place referring to my union or Association....

I get the distinct impression that certain people think the Taxi Trade are thick. smoker and mirrors
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I am sure that most people who have had dealings with Meetings or council meetings are fully aware that the minutes are not a word for word recording of every single thing that was said, they are simply an overview. even then they are the interpretation of the person taking the minutes.... they will say something like the general feeling of the committee was...... but they hardly ever say exactly what every person said..... Anyone that makes an argument out of recorded minute's in my opinion is a fool..

PS.. Sussex refers to the fact that nobody would waste their time drafting a letter.... how many years of his life has he wasted writing on this forum.....

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Justice for the 96. It has only taken 27 years...........repeat the same lies for 27 years and the truth sounds strange to people!

B. Lucky

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Skull on TDO

TF pi$$ed on his chips.

So why even present/discuss/debate this?

I am pleased to formally inform you that certain proposals were initially proposed and considered in 2007 agreed in January 2008 and that after a pause for reflection they were finally confirmed as proposals worthy of worthy of a national consultation exercise at a further meeting held today the 15th April 2008.

On behalf of the consultative group I would now request that you undertake a national DfT consultation as above in respect of the proposals contained within the annex attached to this letter. Please acknowledge receipt of this request.

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IDFIMH

Well he could have written rhubarb, rhubarb, rhubarb, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Considering the subjects they were discussing then the specimen letter is easier to read if you understand what it says. Rhubarb rhubarb.

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Justice for the 96. It has only taken 27 years...........repeat the same lies for 27 years and the truth sounds strange to people!

When you consider the proposals as a whole, I'm not sure he didn't.

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IDFIMH