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you're not planning on going anywhere are you :wink:

Did fancy California for a month. :wink:

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Sussex wrote:
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you're not planning on going anywhere are you :wink:

Did fancy California for a month. :wink:
Ever thought of emigrating... could arrange a whip-round :lol:
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We all moan, and that's the point of a forum.

But my beef with the last meeting isn't that the Berwick/Newcastle/Gladen issue is not important to those at the meeting, it's just that the issue doesn't deserve the huge amount of time it's taken up.

I ask everyone on here to go to their busiest rank tonight or tomorrow and ask the drivers there what trade issues/concerns they have. I guarantee that (other than in the Newcastle area) the Berwick/Newcastle/Gladen issue wont be in the top 1000 concerns.

The minutes of the first MoM indicated that other issues concerned reps at that meeting, none of them have been taken up.


Shortsighted ...................... it would be number one if it was effecting their business.

And when Berwick are successfull, and when the victory is reported in the trade press PH will start to look at the possibilities of changing LA ................ and those who have been refused Operators Licenses will see an opportunity to enter the trade.

The importance of this case should concern everyone ................ as the effects of the ruling certainly will.

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Shortsighted ...................... it would be number one if it was effecting their business.

Wouldn't effect the ones with Berwick plates on the back of their cars.

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Shortsighted ...................... it would be number one if it was effecting their business.

Wouldn't effect the ones with Berwick plates on the back of their cars.
And that is just where you are wrong... the genuine hackney trade in Berwick want this sorting out

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Shortsighted ...................... it would be number one if it was effecting their business.

Wouldn't effect the ones with Berwick plates on the back of their cars.


So the man who joined the fight to stop his council from dishing out contracts to adjoining authorities with "lower standards" is quite happy to see those same standards adhered to by people who can work at the same PH office as him.

Oh and please include all the relevant wording, which should read Berwick Hackney Carriage Plates.

The point that Berwick ceases to exist as a local authority early 2009 again seems to have been forgotten in your argument ................ so in the interest of honesty the "Berwick" situation is not in any way restricted only to Berwick ......................... the actual situation is that a HC can work under a PH contract anywhere in England and Wales (appart from London & possibly Plymouth) and very easily could be repeated.

The other thing is that, and again you fail to properly explain, there is no need to have a licence to accept bookings for a HC ................. and the possibilities of some people taking advantage of that who couldn't get a Licence, a very worrying possibility.

Still .............. never let anything get in the way of your eutopia of everyone having a HC ............... even if all of them are licensed by a single authority possibly hundreds of miles away from where they will be working.

This is not a Newcastle and Berwick issue.

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GA.. recently I have been trying to sort out a meter rise in Sefton..... now all the association's agreed excepting one ... the person representing that Association did not want a meter rise at all.... I asked him how he came to that conclusion.... bearing in mind he has persistently insisted that rises should be index linked...... :wink:

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Shortsighted ...................... it would be number one if it was effecting their business.

Wouldn't effect the ones with Berwick plates on the back of their cars.
And that is just where you are wrong... the genuine hackney trade in Berwick want this sorting out

It's for the courts to decide who is the genuine Berwick hackney trade.

That said, if I was a hackney owner in Berwick the more Berwick hackneys working in Newcastle the better.

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So the man who joined the fight to stop his council from dishing out contracts to adjoining authorities with "lower standards" is quite happy to see those same standards adhered to by people who can work at the same PH office as him.

It's the likes of you that don't want wholesale change to the statutes, so you reap what you sow.

It's currently legal to work the way they do, now that may change next month, but as of now it's 100% legal.

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Sussex wrote:
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Shortsighted ...................... it would be number one if it was effecting their business.

Wouldn't effect the ones with Berwick plates on the back of their cars.
And that is just where you are wrong... the genuine hackney trade in Berwick want this sorting out

It's for the courts to decide who is the genuine Berwick hackney trade.

That said, if I was a hackney owner in Berwick the more Berwick hackneys working in Newcastle the better.


Till the crunch hits and these people go back to their own areas....then Berwick will find they have too many licensing staff and not enough income to support them.

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The point that Berwick ceases to exist as a local authority early 2009 again seems to have been forgotten in your argument ................ so in the interest of honesty the "Berwick" situation is not in any way restricted only to Berwick ......................... the actual situation is that a HC can work under a PH contract anywhere in England and Wales (appart from London & possibly Plymouth) and very easily could be repeated.

WTF has that got to do with it?

If Berwick being no-more is an issue then why are two councils spending 10s maybe 100s of thousands of pound on a judicial review next month?

And just for your record, there is nothing stopping a hackney licensed under the 1847 act working PH in London or Plymouth. Nor will there be even after next months judgement.

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The other thing is that, and again you fail to properly explain, there is no need to have a licence to accept bookings for a HC ................. and the possibilities of some people taking advantage of that who couldn't get a Licence, a very worrying possibility.

Remind me, in the 161 years since the 1847 act came about, how many worrying incidents have there been that make you worried so much? :?

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Still .............. never let anything get in the way of your eutopia of everyone having a HC ............... even if all of them are licensed by a single authority possibly hundreds of miles away from where they will be working.

What's the difference between those drivers licensing their vehicles (as Berwick working Newcastle) as hackneys, and licensing them as PH? :?

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Till the crunch hits and these people go back to their own areas....then Berwick will find they have too many licensing staff and not enough income to support them.

Well they wont, they will just license as Newcastle or Gateshead PH.

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Till the crunch hits and these people go back to their own areas....then Berwick will find they have too many licensing staff and not enough income to support them.

Well they wont, they will just license as Newcastle or Gateshead PH.


Who? the inumbent berwick trade who still have to fork out for the extra staff they're licesning dept has taken on?

We're talking at cross purposes, i guess

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