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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 12:57 am 
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Oh go on ............... being silly is something your so good at.

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Naaaa, that would make me like CC,javascript:emoticon(':lol:') getting fecked in an argument and resorting to humour to cover it up.

:) Get CC, to give you some lessons . . . :shock: :roll:


Well so far you appear to be losing any argument you had.

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Oh aye and hows that CC?

It seems fairly obvious that neither CC Brummie or Mr T give a [edited by admin] about women being made vulnerable to rape because they can't get a taxi. Not unlike those elected to the council of our local authority - this is all about protecting vested interests.

Why don't we have adequate signage for PH rather than proper licensed Taxis.

I don't think so cc, the above is what you really meant now isn't it?


How can we lose with guys like you fighting our corner :lol: :lol: :lol:


Start a campaign for better PH signage then...I already suggested you do this....with you and bird brain of britain your bound to succeed.

It doesnt stop this the original poster of this thread being a very sick individual for starting it though.

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I didn't realise that this was all about Mr Jasbar wanting an Edinburgh free issue plate!!


You missed one key word in that sentence....'another'

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That you being a juvenile again CC.

BTW what is a "free" plate. What does it look like?

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Do none of you see young females on a busy Saturday night approaching Ph saloon type cars in an attempt to get home? I know I do. And you don't think they put themselves at risk?


I do, and I agree about the risk, but a significant number of them are also looking for a knock down price in order to save £2.73 off the Taxi fare home as they've pizzed their money up against the wall in the nightclub.

The risks involved in London have been drummed into them by pubs, councils, the PCO, Taxi trade bodies, the internet, radio and tv ad's and (you would hope) common sense.

But attacks continue, not as many as we used to see, but you need only look through the London news sites to see the results of that £5 saving they managed to negotiate.

I have no knowledge about the incident in this thread, but even if there was another 3000 real Taxi's floating around, the touts would still be a viable option for many drunk folks.


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If jasbar is correct....he's manipulating the situation in the worst possible taste.

That may or may not be the case, but in a war not all battles are fought under Queensbury rules. :?

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Do none of you see young females on a busy Saturday night approaching Ph saloon type cars in an attempt to get home? I know I do. And you don't think they put themselves at risk?


I do, and I agree about the risk, but a significant number of them are also looking for a knock down price in order to save £2.73 off the Taxi fare home as they've pizzed their money up against the wall in the nightclub.

The risks involved in London have been drummed into them by pubs, councils, the PCO, Taxi trade bodies, the internet, radio and tv ad's and (you would hope) common sense.

But attacks continue, not as many as we used to see, but you need only look through the London news sites to see the results of that £5 saving they managed to negotiate.

I have no knowledge about the incident in this thread, but even if there was another 3000 real Taxi's floating around, the touts would still be a viable option for many drunk folks.



The touts in Edinburgh only exist, in so far as the trade has encouraged them. In there desperation to protect plate "values" women's safety has been completely ignored. The ph has been used as an unofficial back up service to the old mantra "no significant unmet demand". That's nearly 7 years without an increase in Hacks. Meanwhile the Ph have more than doubled, and probably quadrupled, if you include taxis and Ph from Edinburgh's surrounding areas now working the city.

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If jasbar is correct....he's manipulating the situation in the worst possible taste.

That may or may not be the case, but in a war not all battles are fought under Queensbury rules. :?


How can it be the worst possible taste to highlight how public safety is being compromised to protect a vested interest?


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Start a campaign for better PH signage then...


And just how would this get her or anyone else a licenced hack any quicker? :?

Choices:
    1 stand up to 2 hours in a queue of pizzed up fools.
    2 spend a couple of hours walking home alone in the dark during the wee small hours.
    3 try to persuade some PH, out of area hack or unlicenced scumbag to take you home illegally.


Short of having "caution rapist" on the signage, I doubt it would make much difference. Do you?

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There has been no increase in the taxi fleet for over 6 years.


Now....is that entirely true Jasbar?

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Start a campaign for better PH signage then...


And just how would this get her or anyone else a licenced hack any quicker? :?

Choices:
    1 stand up to 2 hours in a queue of pizzed up fools.
    2 spend a couple of hours walking home alone in the dark during the wee small hours.
    3 try to persuade some PH, out of area hack or unlicenced scumbag to take you home illegally.

Short of having "caution rapist" on the signage, I doubt it would make much difference. Do you?


Those aint choices I would choose;

You forgot, phone for a Ph or a HC and hailing a HC.

Signs aint going to stop rapes....but bearing in mind the examples youve listed, it is fair to state PH were busy as well?

If both HC and PH were busy....and she couldnt get any type of licensed vehicle....whats she to to then?

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jasbar wrote:
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If jasbar is correct....he's manipulating the situation in the worst possible taste.

That may or may not be the case, but in a war not all battles are fought under Queensbury rules. :?


How can it be the worst possible taste to highlight how public safety is being compromised to protect a vested interest?


Your council have lawfully retained the limit on Hackney Carriages....get used to it.

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Start a campaign for better PH signage then...


And just how would this get her or anyone else a licenced hack any quicker? :?

Choices:
    1 stand up to 2 hours in a queue of pizzed up fools.
    2 spend a couple of hours walking home alone in the dark during the wee small hours.
    3 try to persuade some PH, out of area hack or unlicenced scumbag to take you home illegally.

Short of having "caution rapist" on the signage, I doubt it would make much difference. Do you?


Before the Festival I had a female in the car who had walked from Greyfriars Bobby to Gorgie Road at 2 am. A fair walk through some pretty undesirable terrain - the [edited by admin] in the Grass market, past the pubic triangle then down through Haymarket and along a Dalry road full of yobbos.

She was pretty ticked off about it.

Yet, when I pointed out the argument about restriction, how the council had ignored the Best practice guide to take peak periods into account, licence applications, court cases she staunchly refused to complain to the council.

I pointed out what could happen. She still refused.

perhaps if she, and others, actually did complain, then the latest victim wouldn't be a victim.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 4:51 pm 
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There has been no increase in the taxi fleet for over 6 years.


Now....is that entirely true Jasbar?

CC


Well spotted CC. At least you're paying attention.

This statement was made deliberately. Cos I want the council to justify their position with the six licences they were forced to issue by the courts.

SShhh. Don't tell them!!!!!

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Signs aint going to stop rapes....but bearing in mind the examples youve listed, it is fair to state PH were busy as well?

PH are always busy at these times during the weekend. More so in a restricted area. So are the out of town guys and the unlicensed scumbags that the police choose to ignore - until there is a tragedy.

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If both HC and PH were busy....and she couldnt get any type of licensed vehicle....whats she to to then?

My point exactly.

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I know you profess to be a novice, but pay attention.

The council is culpable. because it deliberately, note deliberately refuses to take account of peak periods when assessing demand. This is no accident. It does this because it is defending its transport policy, its own bus and taxi bus interests. It is putting them before public safety. Do you think they should do this? You do have a daughter, granddaughter do you?

Now pay even more attention, I DONT want de-regulation. get it? I don't want de-regulation. I want de-restriction so that drivers, who actually do the work, can be masters of their own professional destiny - if they so choose.

Now, pay attention again. I know this is difficult for you, and god knows how many times I've said this, what happened in Dublin was unique to Dublin. They had no quality controls. They allowed anyone who wanted to, to buy a cab and operate it. People were buying cabs just so they could use the bus lanes during rush hour.

In Edinburgh, we DO have quality controls. Get it? We DO have quality controls. The skull and I have consistently argued for these to be even stricter so we can control numbers by quality, not quantity.

As things stand in Edinburgh it will be the same drivers, doing the same shifts, only in their own vehicles. They will be able to put their own brand spanking new E7 or equivalent on for less than £200 per week, considerably less than some of the rentals being charged by owners - which incidentally have not come down though the trade is fecked - and which they can double up as their private if they wish, thereby saving even more.

Now, tell me what part of this you are having difficulty with. :shock:

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I know you profess to be a novice, but pay attention.

The council is culpable. because it deliberately, note deliberately refuses to take account of peak periods when assessing demand. This is no accident. It does this because it is defending its transport policy, its own bus and taxi bus interests. It is putting them before public safety. Do you think they should do this? You do have a daughter, granddaughter do you?

Now pay even more attention, I DONT want de-regulation. get it? I don't want de-regulation. I want de-restriction so that drivers, who actually do the work, can be masters of their own professional destiny - if they so choose.

Now, pay attention again. I know this is difficult for you, and god knows how many times I've said this, what happened in Dublin was unique to Dublin. They had no quality controls. They allowed anyone who wanted to, to buy a cab and operate it. People were buying cabs just so they could use the bus lanes during rush hour.

In Edinburgh, we DO have quality controls. Get it? We DO have quality controls. The skull and I have consistently argued for these to be even stricter so we can control numbers by quality, not quantity.

As things stand in Edinburgh it will be the same drivers, doing the same shifts, only in their own vehicles. They will be able to put their own brand spanking new E7 or equivalent on for less than £200 per week, considerably less than some of the rentals being charged by owners - which incidentally have not come down though the trade is fecked - and which they can double up as their private if they wish, thereby saving even more.

Now, tell me what part of this you are having difficulty with. :shock:


For the first time as far as I can recall Mr T, we agree wholeheartedly.

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