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 Post subject: Re: taxi touting
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one of our local stations in our borough used to have a taxi office at the station, but recently have moved out and relocated some 2 miles away, there are bays on station forecourt marked taxis but no signage stating no waiting except taxis etc, private hire company that usec to reside there say they have the rights to the bays, council say its private property and anyone else except the private hire co are touting any one know where hacks stand with regards to this matter


Tone, the first question is what the property owner is permitting - ultimately it's up to them who's allowed on the forecourt.

If it's Hacks only then there's no problem, if it's PH then there may be a plying for hire issue as per the Eastbourne case.

But the first step is to find out what the property owner says about it - since it's private property they decide who's allowed on it.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 7:57 pm 
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Tone, the first question is what the property owner is permitting - ultimately it's up to them who's allowed on the forecourt.

.......

But the first step is to find out what the property owner says about it - since it's private property they decide who's allowed on it.

Not if it's railway property as in this case; it's covered by legislation & recent case law.

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 Post subject: Re: taxi touting
PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 8:27 pm 
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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
Fae Fife wrote:
Tone, the first question is what the property owner is permitting - ultimately it's up to them who's allowed on the forecourt.

.......

But the first step is to find out what the property owner says about it - since it's private property they decide who's allowed on it.

Not if it's railway property as in this case; it's covered by legislation & recent case law.


I don't get your point, Mr Brummie - I assume you're saying that if it's railway property then HCs can't be stopped from plying for hire there?

I thought that had indeed happened at many stations - could you be more specific about how it's covere by legislation and case law?


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 Post subject: Re: taxi touting
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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
Fae Fife wrote:
Tone, the first question is what the property owner is permitting - ultimately it's up to them who's allowed on the forecourt.
.......

But the first step is to find out what the property owner says about it - since it's private property they decide who's allowed on it.

Not if it's railway property as in this case; it's covered by legislation & recent case law.

If the land owner doesn't want anyone or anything happening on his land, then he has a right to forbid it.

So Mr Fae's point is valid, get the owner to say what he is allowing first. Then maybe point out the illegalities. :wink:

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Fae Fife wrote:
Brummie Cabbie wrote:
Fae Fife wrote:
Tone, the first question is what the property owner is permitting - ultimately it's up to them who's allowed on the forecourt.

.......

But the first step is to find out what the property owner says about it - since it's private property they decide who's allowed on it.

Not if it's railway property as in this case; it's covered by legislation & recent case law.

I don't get your point, Mr Brummie - I assume you're saying that if it's railway property then HCs can't be stopped from plying for hire there?

I thought that had indeed happened at many stations - could you be more specific about how it's covere by legislation and case law?

I see your point now.

You are correct that the railway company can prohibit Hackneys from standing on a station & plying for hire.

But the thread is about taxi touting, in this case PHVs standing on railway premises on a designated & marked rank.

The legislation that prevents this is Section 76 of the Public Health Act 1925 as I have posted above & the case law is on the link below; you only need to read the first & last two paragraphs to understand it.

http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Admin/2000/410.html

So to summarise, yes the railway company can stop Hackneys from standing & plying on railway property, no they can’t allow PHVs to stand & ply instead, yes they can allow a PH operator to use their premises as a booking office & call vehicles in to pick up passengers once they have been booked.

Sorry I mis-understood your point.

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I suppose using landmines is out of the question?

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 Post subject: Re: taxi touting
PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 11:56 am 
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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
Fae Fife wrote:
Tone, the first question is what the property owner is permitting - ultimately it's up to them who's allowed on the forecourt.
.......

But the first step is to find out what the property owner says about it - since it's private property they decide who's allowed on it.

Not if it's railway property as in this case; it's covered by legislation & recent case law.

If the land owner doesn't want anyone or anything happening on his land, then he has a right to forbid it.

So Mr Fae's point is valid, get the owner to say what he is allowing first. Then maybe point out the illegalities. :wink:




Surely if it's council land it's pirating

If it's Railway land you require a pass, again no PH

If it's private land then I suppose it becomes a bit of a lottery, perhaps if the land owner was persued for encouraging touting it would put things back into perspective.


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If it's Railway land you require a pass, again no PH

Why can't PH work station land? :?

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Sussex wrote:
Doom wrote:
If it's Railway land you require a pass, again no PH

Why can't PH work station land? :?


Of course, on a pre-booked basis.

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 Post subject: Re: taxi touting
PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 3:13 pm 
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Doom wrote:
If it's Railway land you require a pass, again no PH

Why can't PH work station land? :?



Ok I'll put it another way, if it's a standard rail rank then there should only be pass holders on it, and to the best of my knowledge that should only be a licensed Hackney.


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Doom wrote:
Sussex wrote:
Doom wrote:
If it's Railway land you require a pass, again no PH

Why can't PH work station land? :?



Ok I'll put it another way, if it's a standard rail rank then there should only be pass holders on it, and to the best of my knowledge that should only be a licensed Hackney.


apart from watford :shock:

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 Post subject: Re: taxi touting
PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 3:38 am 
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Doom wrote:
Sussex wrote:
Doom wrote:
If it's Railway land you require a pass, again no PH

Why can't PH work station land? :?



Ok I'll put it another way, if it's a standard rail rank then there should only be pass holders on it, and to the best of my knowledge that should only be a licensed Hackney.


apart from watford :shock:

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I didn't know about that tbh.


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