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 Post subject: Re: Lets get rid
PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 10:46 pm 
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GMB Branch secretary wrote:
Kept out of this one so far,but we,ll have some perhaps 103MP.s

How does one get a list of them so those on TDO can lobby them on your behalf? :wink:

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 Post subject: Section 75
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Sussex we make our facilites available to our members,know any?Would be prepared to host meeting on issue to formulate tactics,thats if you lot can sit in the same room without AG.Would suggest London for proximity to our senior officers.There you are an open invite.We are as determined as the psters on this site and wouldnt it be a step in the right direction if we could all co-operate on one issue".from little acorns"

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captain cab wrote:
errm PH driviers parking on bus stops, plying for hire, touting...


Well if you hadn't quoted me without the context then you'd have realised that I was talking about another matter completely, so I'll repeat it below.

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But if PH drivers are dressing up their cars to look like taxis then surely that's because council policies accomodate this, so why cast doubt on the fitness of drivers in this regard?



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But if PH drivers are dressing up their cars to look like taxis then surely that's because council policies accomodate this, so why cast doubt on the fitness of drivers in this regard?


But if?

or maybe its because the LA doesnt know?

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If the public cannot tell the difference between taxis and private hire it is simply because private hire drivers firstly make their vehicles look like a taxi...


I would concur with that, but I was debating on the premise that this was because council policies allowed that, and that was what I said, whereas you later raised the point that the problem may be down to drivers breaching their licensing conditions.

Yes, that may be an issue, but I'm sure you'll agree that overwhelmingly the confusion re appearance doesn't derive from wrongdoing on the part of drivers; rather, it's due to council policies.

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rambo wrote:
JD, as I have stated before, how can we have a meter in a car when the driver does not know where he is going, in london there are thousands of PHV drivers who were granted grandfathers rights and are clueless.

I wished I knew the answer, but I don't.


You make a good point about London but if P/H don't know where they are going surely the extra mileage will reflect in the final fare? If a driver is going to go around in circles or take a longer route it won't it really matter how the fare is calculated?

Up here in Manchester we have private hire drivers who know more about the area than most cabbies. I'm all for very high standards of knowledge and a one tier system with the emphasis on high Quality driver controls but until we get them outside of London then I'm afraid there isn't much we can do about people not knowing where they are going.

Take the New Forest incident for example?

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 Post subject: Re: Section 75
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Sussex we make our facilites available to our members,know any?Would be prepared to host meeting on issue to formulate tactics,thats if you lot can sit in the same room without AG.

To get rid of that exemption I would sit in a room with anyone. :shock:

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Sussex that makes one interested in solving this problem,sorry we only have 103 MPs so probably not worth the effort for the rest of you,dont worry we wont bottle it.or ignore it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ORGANISE EDUCATE AGITATE?

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Sussex that makes one interested in solving this problem,sorry we only have 103 MPs so probably not worth the effort for the rest of you,dont worry we wont bottle it.or ignore it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


dont worry yourself Terry, I met with a member of the Transport Select Committee today about this very thing :roll:

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Apart from the technical or actual legal definition, what IS the difference between a taxi and and private hire car. I have this week used the same firm for two identical journeys. First was in a saloon car with a hackney plate on. Two days later the same model of saloon car with a private hire plate on. As a member of the public on these two occassions, how the hell am I supposed to know what is a taxi and what isn't. I think until the trade sort out this inhouse fighting, the non-licensed lot will just continue. As I see it the only REAL difference is one can pick up on the street or rank and the other cannot. Driving licence, the same, CRB check, the same, car used, the same. Some drivers in my area have both hc and ph driver badges and do drive both types on a regular basis, no wonder the public are confused.

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So you met with a member of T S C AND?????????????????

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As I see it the only REAL difference is one can pick up on the street or rank and the other cannot. Driving licence.


You hit the nail on the head and of course a hackney driver doesn't need a license to take bookings over a telephone. Although Brentford did say they were going to try and close that loophole, how I don't know but we shall see?

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So you met with a member of T S C AND


Congratulated him on his governments good sense in removing a flawed piece of legislation and hoped he would encourage his colleagues to ensure that good sense prevailed.

I obviously pointed out that unlicensed and unregulated vehicles and drivers picking up members of the public including the vulnerable, perfectly legally by way of a loophole, in the 21st century was quite unbelievable.

amongst other things :wink:

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Tulsablue wrote:
Apart from the technical or actual legal definition, what IS the difference between a taxi and and private hire car. I have this week used the same firm for two identical journeys. First was in a saloon car with a hackney plate on. Two days later the same model of saloon car with a private hire plate on. As a member of the public on these two occassions, how the hell am I supposed to know what is a taxi and what isn't. I think until the trade sort out this inhouse fighting, the non-licensed lot will just continue. As I see it the only REAL difference is one can pick up on the street or rank and the other cannot. Driving licence, the same, CRB check, the same, car used, the same. Some drivers in my area have both hc and ph driver badges and do drive both types on a regular basis, no wonder the public are confused.


So by extending the same logic when the DDA is applied PH should conform as well.

I think the public are confused because PH drivers and operators dress their vehicles to look like taxis .................. or call their operation "Local Taxis" instead of "Local Private Hire".

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