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PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 11:23 pm 
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[Total garbage.

Bureaucrats replacing bureaucrats

OH and by the way ...................... whats in it for the customer?

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well at least the PSV has one standard not many and you know were you stand ! anywhere in the country !

so maybe these bueaucrats may be better ones ?

or can i hear your magic solution to standardising our indusrty and be more uniformed as a trade ![/quote]
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EDUCATION ..................... EDUCATION .................... EDUCATION.

The trade has, open to them, the opportunity to properly educate all drivers into every aspect of the trade.

The customers should expect certain standards ............. and the only way those standards can be relied upon is if drivers are properly and fully aware of their responsibilities and how to fulfil them.

The customers should also expect that those same standards should be properly enforced buy the local authority.

The bottom line here is that nothing about this trade is PROFESSIONAL .............. most owners consider the drivers to be easily expendable ................... most drivers consider driving to be stop gap employment ................... most enforcement or licensing officers are there because that was the only position that offered the promotion to their next grade up or they retired from the Police force.

PH operators are businessmen ................ and rightly so ............... they should be greedy, they should be ruthless, if they are not the drivers will make no money.

Drivers should be properly educated and professional qualifications should be attained. This primarily gives some re-assurance to the customers but it also makes the whole business more reliable and so contracts are easier to obtain and retain.

Licensing and Enforcement Officers should be properly educated and professional qualifications should be attained. My council is no different than yours, they believe they have the best possible people running and working in their departments ..................... but they do not have either the knowledge or the experience to advise the council on the correct implementation of the law through their policies.

As a businessman, you will have the resource to seek solutions to your problems ..................... the councils rely on the advice which is based upon the interpretation of people who know little of the legislation which governs us all.


Its time to train the people already there .................. its time to raise the standards ...................... its time for us all to consider driving for hire and reward a profession ........................ and then we may all be better off financially.

Oh and how much would the public benefit ........................ how many complaints do you get from disgruntled customers or how often do you have to advertise in order to get new customers?

B. Lucky :D


WOW ! what a world you live in !!

your fisrt point !

what education do you refer to ? we have bus companys who get susidised heavily and drivers recieve all sorts of training for all sorts of things

we the taxi industry get told/ instructed to have wheel chair accessable vehicles and councils do not offer us any training on how deal with, lift carry or load these people after they so kindly tell us thats what we need if we want to do our work.

i call that passing the buck from them to us not education

if your commets are suggesting these new class room type standards that i personaly feel are just another barrier to stop us getting drivers working ! I dont believe any teacher in a class room can educate you on haing four smack heads in your car wanting to find their next fix !

i think there is alot of things that can not be learned in a class room type enviroment. but i do hear my self agreeing with some of your comments

i have no fiath in local authoritys what so ever !! as you say there may well be some good officers out there (somewhere) but when you put decision making of our lives into the hands of 12 or more councillors that have not got a clue and bounced from one commitie to another, it mkes me shiver with fear what they might come up with after they have woken up after the brief from the officer.

so i clearly want to get rid of that way of controling my life and business and have at least a fighting chance wiith people of some education of our trade

i strongly disagree with you saying NOTHING in our trade is professional !!

maybe you watch to much of "street cars" on coronation street ! this is the perception we all need to get rid of and shout from the roof tops that there is 400 thousand drivers licensed outside of london with out the auxuilary staff around it ! and our industry is now one of the lardgest in the country creating employment, we are also the only 24hr door to door transport system etc etc etc

stop thinking of the porta cabin in a pub car park image and be positive about what is going out there

i have invested over the last 5 years over half a million in my business and my drivers are my customers as well as my fare paying customers and i reconise that ! so please dont think all operators are just in it for the greed. i have a ambition to build a call center that can be ran by disabled people susch as wheel chair bound people.

as you say many officers in the council are there just as the next step to the next post !! what good is that to me as they simply move on by the time they ave some knowledge of the industry. and i get the next numbty to look after me,and they take sod all notice of us in the know because they think they know best about the trade

i think the quality of service needs to come from within from the operators and the councils need to listern to the operators (if we could stop argueing between ourselves)

but yes we can agree if we become more proffesional we will all benifit ! its how we get there i disagree with !!

good luck to you !


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WOW ! what a world you live in !!

your fisrt point !

what education do you refer to ? we have bus companys who get susidised heavily and drivers recieve all sorts of training for all sorts of things

we the taxi industry get told/ instructed to have wheel chair accessable vehicles and councils do not offer us any training on how deal with, lift carry or load these people after they so kindly tell us thats what we need if we want to do our work.

i call that passing the buck from them to us not education

if your commets are suggesting these new class room type standards that i personaly feel are just another barrier to stop us getting drivers working ! I dont believe any teacher in a class room can educate you on haing four smack heads in your car wanting to find their next fix !

i think there is alot of things that can not be learned in a class room type enviroment. but i do hear my self agreeing with some of your comments

The true life of a taxi driver can never be taught in a classroom, and no-one should even consider that you can learn to deal with any specific situation unless you find yourself in it.

As far as a barrier ............ on average a CRB check takes around 12 weeks to be returned .............. if the training sessions are conducted within that 12 week period then potential new drivers would see no time delays.

Existing drivers need not attend "classroom sessions" learning can be done while waiting for work ...................... and don't try telling me they don't have to wait for work :D I'm to old a cat to be shagged by a kitten.

The "exams" at the end of the course are very simple to anyone who has attended the course and concentrated whilst there, they are not hard.

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i have no fiath in local authoritys what so ever !! as you say there may well be some good officers out there (somewhere) but when you put decision making of our lives into the hands of 12 or more councillors that have not got a clue and bounced from one commitie to another, it mkes me shiver with fear what they might come up with after they have woken up after the brief from the officer.

so i clearly want to get rid of that way of controling my life and business and have at least a fighting chance wiith people of some education of our trade


So lets go to council and say we are accepting training, we are accepting that we should be formally qualified ............... then insist that the councils send LO's on the NATLEO course and obtain the same. If they need to train their LO's then they will be reluctant to move them on .............. as they do now.

ians wrote:
i strongly disagree with you saying NOTHING in our trade is professional !!

maybe you watch to much of "street cars" on coronation street ! this is the perception we all need to get rid of and shout from the roof tops that there is 400 thousand drivers licensed outside of london with out the auxuilary staff around it ! and our industry is now one of the lardgest in the country creating employment, we are also the only 24hr door to door transport system etc etc etc

stop thinking of the porta cabin in a pub car park image and be positive about what is going out there

i have invested over the last 5 years over half a million in my business and my drivers are my customers as well as my fare paying customers and i reconise that ! so please dont think all operators are just in it for the greed. i have a ambition to build a call center that can be ran by disabled people susch as wheel chair bound people.


I've little doubt that there are professionally ran operations ............... but how many of your drivers "go the extra mile", you probably have more good drivers than bad ................. but it only takes one bad driver to taint the reputation of your whole organisation specifically and the trade generally.

ians wrote:
as you say many officers in the council are there just as the next step to the next post !! what good is that to me as they simply move on by the time they ave some knowledge of the industry. and i get the next numbty to look after me,and they take sod all notice of us in the know because they think they know best about the trade

i think the quality of service needs to come from within from the operators and the councils need to listern to the operators (if we could stop argueing between ourselves)

but yes we can agree if we become more proffesional we will all benifit ! its how we get there i disagree with !!

good luck to you !


Can you imagine a driver appearing before a committee or magistrate with his professional formal qualification certificate in his hand ..................... having his professional status questioned by a LO with no formal qualifications in this industry.

Its about getting it right .................. and manipulating the system to work in our favour delivers results far quicker than trying to change all the legislation that governs us.

B. Lucky

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GA you are a complete f*ckwitt.

The whole purpose of the system is to marginalise and isolate the people within it. This is the system the council operates. This is your State Capitalist Democratic System. You don’t have to tell them this they already know. They don’t want solidarity of the work force they want division. Any you want to give them greater control? They all ready have control you dickhead. The council holds all the keys to all the doors and you think you are offering them a solution. You are barking son.

The first thing you need is a united trade with proper legal representation. It’s about taken control back not giving it away you brown nosing little worm. Its guys like you who’ve fecked this trade. Without power through the media, popular opinion or the legal system you are stuffed.


Please, please, please, Councillor, can GA come up and suck your d*ck and then can we have some proper standards and quality controls? :roll:


Skull ................ can I use you for a referance if I need to apply for a job?

THE TRADE WILL NEVER .................... AND I MEAN NEVER BE UNIFIED.

What we need to do is stop fighting with the people who form the legislation that governs us.

Obviously your approach works well .................. and thats why you get what you want.

Its more obvious than ever before that you are incapable of operating to the professional standards we should be delivering TO THE PUBLIC THAT PAYS OUR WAGES.

B. Lucky :D


You really don’t get it do you? You dictate your own self – worth, your own value, that’s the way the system operates. You set your own standard, your own quality controls and you implement that standard by not giving the council a choice. It is they who serve you not the other way around. How many real “businesses” ask the council for their approval in promoting their business to the public?

Get a life you fanny.

BTW, I know the trade will never unify but that doesn’t change what the trade should be doing.

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GA, have you ever considered not brownnosing the council as a way of running your own “business?”

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Skull ..................... you need to control your temper.

Loosing battles is not important ..................... its about winning the war.

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I'm to old a cat to be shagged by a kitten.



Now thats funny :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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gee thanks.

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Skull ..................... you need to control your temper.

Loosing battles is not important ..................... its about winning the war.

B. Lucky :D


What the feck are you own about? The trade lost the War a long time ago and it was guys like you that were leading the charge.

What you are proposing is collaboration with the occupying force and not taking the ground back under your own control.

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Skull ..................... you need to control your temper.

Loosing battles is not important ..................... its about winning the war.

B. Lucky :D


What the feck are you own about? The trade lost the War a long time ago and it was guys like you that were leading the charge.

What you are proposing is collaboration with the occupying force and not taking the ground back under your own control.

:roll:


That sounds like a speech from Hitler
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Skull ..................... you need to control your temper.

Loosing battles is not important ..................... its about winning the war.

B. Lucky :D


What the feck are you own about? The trade lost the War a long time ago and it was guys like you that were leading the charge.

What you are proposing is collaboration with the occupying force and not taking the ground back under your own control.

:roll:


That sounds like a speech from Hitler
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When did Hitler ever collaborate with and occupying force you fanny?

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Skull, you really should read up on the Defence of Berlin during the last weeks of the war and the orders that he gave.
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What you are proposing is collaboration with the occupying force and not taking the ground back under your own control.

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Skull wrote:
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Skull ..................... you need to control your temper.

Loosing battles is not important ..................... its about winning the war.

B. Lucky :D


What the feck are you own about? The trade lost the War a long time ago and it was guys like you that were leading the charge.

What you are proposing is collaboration with the occupying force and not taking the ground back under your own control.

:roll:


Unlike you ................... I don't believe I can change the world ............... all I want to do is better my little piece of it.

B. Lucky :D

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Skull, you really should read up on the Defence of Berlin during the last weeks of the war and the orders that he gave.
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What you are proposing is collaboration with the occupying force and not taking the ground back under your own control.



Correct me if I’m wrong? The War was already lost. It wasn’t an occupying force, the place had been levelled. It was a Conquering army. That’s a different ballgame altogether. There was nothing left to collaborate on. It was do it our way or face a bullet in the brain.

Not much collaboration there I think :roll:

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I don't think I said there was any collaborating :shock: dimwit, :shock: I said it sounds like a speech from Hitler

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