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Not at all Sussex,if you want a plate you buy one.

Well I know 100s of drivers who didn't buy a plate, and one of them was Mr Ali T.


Except plates can't be bought and sold. They are not transferrable are they. So, how can you buy one if they are not transferrable?

:lol:


You don't by the plate you silly little man,you buy the company. :shock: :shock:
Don't you fancy owning your own company Jim ? the rewards are brilliant. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


No point rehearsing this argument with you again saf. You're too thick to understand logic.

But the plate IS the company. What would the company be worth without the plate? Zilch. Nothing. Nego.

Isn't it curious that in other licensed areas, where there is no restriction on numbers, the licence is usually held by an individual?

However, we know it would take a court to rule on it. And who is going to take the matter there? So, you're safe in your little illusion.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

For now, that is :lol:


You wouldn't know logic if it slapped you in the face Jim. :shock:
Since when did you use logic ?
Everything you say is lies and we and the relevant bodies know this,you are yet to come up with facts,even your so called hot shot lawyers cant help you :lol:
You suffered another embarrassing blow in the courts Jim,you know deep down this will continue to happen. :D
Perry mason couldn't win you this case,there is just NO UNMET DEMAND.
No matter what sh*t you and numskull come out with, there is just no way this is going to happen.
Off course to save face and what little dignity the two of you have left,you will continue to say "wait until this time,wait until next time",the truth is Jim the next time and the time after that and the time after that will still have the same outcome. :D
Now just be a good little boy and either buy a plate like everybody else or just keep paying your rental on time and keep us business men in the lifestyle we are accustomed to. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
So once again Jim,the plate is the company, agreed,the good thing is knowing the council will never de-restrict these numbers until there is an unmet demand,and we both know that that wont happen unless Edinburgh doubles it's size and the population increases by at least another 100k :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: quality.
Yes "my little illusion" is safe and for a very long time to come. \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ \:D/


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No, it's using the system which you adhere to.

You don't like the system, then change it. De-restrict the plates and let's all work on an even playing field.

But wait, this is what you don't want to do, isn't it. You want the restriction so you can keep your plate value. You need the system to maintain your own greed. You need the system to prop up your own illusion.

How does it feel to be greedy, selfish and stupid Chipper?



Do you like paying the high fuel prices Jim ? NO WELL CHANGE IT
Do you like paying your council tax Jim ? NO WELL CHANGE IT
Do you like paying the high food prices Jim ? NO WELL CHANGE IT
Do you like paying the governments high taxes Jim ?NO WELL CHANGE IT
"How does it feel to be greedy,selfish and stupid",we don't know Jim why don't you tell us. ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,)


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saf wrote:
jasbar wrote:
No, it's using the system which you adhere to.

You don't like the system, then change it. De-restrict the plates and let's all work on an even playing field.

But wait, this is what you don't want to do, isn't it. You want the restriction so you can keep your plate value. You need the system to maintain your own greed. You need the system to prop up your own illusion.

How does it feel to be greedy, selfish and stupid Chipper?



Do you like paying the high fuel prices Jim ? NO WELL CHANGE IT
Do you like paying your council tax Jim ? NO WELL CHANGE IT
Do you like paying the high food prices Jim ? NO WELL CHANGE IT
Do you like paying the governments high taxes Jim ?NO WELL CHANGE IT
"How does it feel to be greedy,selfish and stupid",we don't know Jim why don't you tell us. ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,)


What high fuel prices? Reduce miles and save.
Council's have to be properly financed. It's waste that needs reduced.
Quality food, properly priced, reduces waste.
What high taxes? The Chancellor has just reduced the basic rate of tax.


You were saying?

:lol:


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i would call you a fanny but they are useful things
:shock: :shock:

jasbar wrote:
No, it's using the system which you adhere to.


wrong

jasbar wrote:
You don't like the system, then change it. De-restrict the plates and let's all work on an even playing field.


i agree look back at my posts i have no problem with going down the De-restrict route if the market can take it (and it cant right now)

jasbar wrote:
But wait, this is what you don't want to do, isn't it. You want the restriction so you can keep your plate value. You need the system to maintain your own greed. You need the system to prop up your own illusion.


yes i want to keep my plate value oooooooops PRIVATE HIRE PLATES dont have a value and just for the record when i do start driving taxis i dont want to buy one iam quite happy to rent one.
greed your having a laugh you win a case to have you right to a plate and then sell it for 50k+ thats what you call greed and double standards
the only person having a "illusion" is you and putting someone in debt which you say is wrong

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How does it feel to be greedy, selfish and stupid Chipper?


so jimbo please tell me how does it feel to be stupid.
you can call me all the names you want and insult me all you want but thats the sort of thing i send my kids to bed for :lol: :lol:

cant wait for the smart arse reply to this :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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jasbar wrote:
saf wrote:
jasbar wrote:
No, it's using the system which you adhere to.

You don't like the system, then change it. De-restrict the plates and let's all work on an even playing field.

But wait, this is what you don't want to do, isn't it. You want the restriction so you can keep your plate value. You need the system to maintain your own greed. You need the system to prop up your own illusion.

How does it feel to be greedy, selfish and stupid Chipper?



Do you like paying the high fuel prices Jim ? NO WELL CHANGE IT
Do you like paying your council tax Jim ? NO WELL CHANGE IT
Do you like paying the high food prices Jim ? NO WELL CHANGE IT
Do you like paying the governments high taxes Jim ?NO WELL CHANGE IT
"How does it feel to be greedy,selfish and stupid",we don't know Jim why don't you tell us. ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,)


What high fuel prices? Reduce miles and save.
Council's have to be properly financed. It's waste that needs reduced.
Quality food, properly priced, reduces waste.
What high taxes? The Chancellor has just reduced the basic rate of tax.


You were saying?

:lol:


So someone jumps in the taxi Jim and asks you how much to Newcastle,would you tell him,"sorry mate i need to reduce miles and save"
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol
If it's the waste that needs reduced,then reduce it Jim. :shock:
So feck off with fair trade then,are you saying we are getting quality food for the price we pay ?breads bread and milks milk :roll:
So did the chancellor reduce the tax on fuel,cigarettes and alcohol. :shock:

I was saying....... :shock:


Not very hard to prove you wrong AGAIN Jim isn't it. :D :D

Now away out and contribute to your owners pension. :lol: :lol:


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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 11:46 am 
You wouldn't know logic if it slapped you in the face Jim.
Since when did you use logic ?


Drivers own their own tools for the job. Just like every other trade. Seems logical to me.


Everything you say is lies and we and the relevant bodies know this,you are yet to come up with facts,even your so called hot shot lawyers cant help you

Licence applicants don't have to come up with facts. They simply have to suggest that the council couldn't possibly be reasonably satisfied with the information they use to refuse applications. We did suggest areas they weren't aware about. Wigglesworth even agreed that the council's info was "flawed" - twice.

At the very least the council should have deferred their decision to allow them to look at our claims. That's why th eAct allows for consideration within three months and a final decision three months after that. The Act is prepared for the process. The council isn't, because it had no intention of granting the licences, ever. They prejudiced the applications. Not only is this wrong, it is illegal.


You suffered another embarrassing blow in the courts Jim,you know deep down this will continue to happen.

I haven't suffered anything. Because my case was not before the courts. Seems you don't know everything saf lad.

Also, if you have ever engaged with the legal process you will realise that it is conducted by some who are devious, incompetent and self serving. If you believe it is designed to deliver justice, then you would do well to be wary. You WILL get shafted and it will cost you plenty.

Perry mason couldn't win you this case,there is just NO UNMET DEMAND.
No matter what sh*t you and numskull come out with, there is just no way this is going to happen.


Fortunately my brief is a tad better than Perry. You stick to your TV illusion, it will help prop up your ownership illusion. You do kinda live in a fantasy, don't you saf?

Actually, no one knows what the demand was, is and will be. Because the council didn't seek to find any demand. They just produced what they thought would justify their refusal.

Not good enough I'm afraid. You see, councils have a duty to behave reasonably. CEC didn't. The cases in court will prove this.



Off course to save face and what little dignity the two of you have left,you will continue to say "wait until this time,wait until next time",the truth is Jim the next time and the time after that and the time after that will still have the same outcome.

If you'd been paying attention, I've already explained to you that the one thing we have no control over is the timescale. other things, needs, come into play over which we have no control. But the endgame will happen. That is for sure. You just have to be patient, like we have to.



Now just be a good little boy and either buy a plate like everybody else or just keep paying your rental on time and keep us business men in the lifestyle we are accustomed to.

I've never been a good little boy, I see no reason to start now. You can't buy a plate, it is owned by the council. My rental is my business. You are not a businessman, else you would relish the opportunities afforded by de-restriction where you would be able to grow your business and maximise your investment.

But you would be incapable of this because you comfort zone is operating in the restricted, vested interest market the council gives you. You're little more than an employee of the council, stripped of the normal benefits of council employees and paying your own NI, holiday pay, sickness insurance, pension etc.



So once again Jim,the plate is the company, agreed,the good thing is knowing the council will never de-restrict these numbers until there is an unmet demand,and we both know that that wont happen unless Edinburgh doubles it's size and the population increases by at least another 100k quality.

Plates - "is the company", are not transferrable. De-restriction is not in the council's hands - read the Scottish Governments Best Practice guidelines.

There won't be any unmet demand identified, though it exists, until the council decides to throw the trade a few scraps. It will keep any demand to itself and expand its own transport interests. This is tantamount to using the Act in a cxorrupt way.

You are a willing participant to council corruption.



Yes "my little illusion" is safe and for a very long time to come.


Even a schoolchild would realise that there is nothing tangible about an illusion. How can it be "safe"?

Idiot.

:roll:


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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 11:57 am 
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So someone jumps in the taxi Jim and asks you how much to Newcastle,would you tell him,"sorry mate i need to reduce miles and save"
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol
If it's the waste that needs reduced,then reduce it Jim. :shock:
So feck off with fair trade then,are you saying we are getting quality food for the price we pay ?breads bread and milks milk :roll:
So did the chancellor reduce the tax on fuel,cigarettes and alcohol. :shock:

I was saying....... :shock:


Not very hard to prove you wrong AGAIN Jim isn't it. :D :D

Now away out and contribute to your owners pension. :lol: :lol:


Yes, I WOULD refuse the fare to Newcastle.

Councillors are charged with reducing council waste.

Fair Trade and fair prices are not mutually exclusive.

I can afford to buy quality food. Cheap food encourages over buying, excess waste and ends up in landfill.

Cigarette and alcohol tax should be tripled. Fuel tax should be stabilised and the fuel companies excess profits windfall taxed - because they effectively operate a cartel.

Prove me wrong? I can't wait for the flood of viewers who agree with you. But if its decisive debate then perhaps we should set up a venue and the Skull and I will take on all comers. As we did on Radio. :lol:


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jasbar wrote:
You wouldn't know logic if it slapped you in the face Jim.
Since when did you use logic ?


Drivers own their own tools for the job. Just like every other trade. Seems logical to me.


Everything you say is lies and we and the relevant bodies know this,you are yet to come up with facts,even your so called hot shot lawyers cant help you

Licence applicants don't have to come up with facts. They simply have to suggest that the council couldn't possibly be reasonably satisfied with the information they use to refuse applications. We did suggest areas they weren't aware about. Wigglesworth even agreed that the council's info was "flawed" - twice.

At the very least the council should have deferred their decision to allow them to look at our claims. That's why th eAct allows for consideration within three months and a final decision three months after that. The Act is prepared for the process. The council isn't, because it had no intention of granting the licences, ever. They prejudiced the applications. Not only is this wrong, it is illegal.


You suffered another embarrassing blow in the courts Jim,you know deep down this will continue to happen.

I haven't suffered anything. Because my case was not before the courts. Seems you don't know everything saf lad.

Also, if you have ever engaged with the legal process you will realise that it is conducted by some who are devious, incompetent and self serving. If you believe it is designed to deliver justice, then you would do well to be wary. You WILL get shafted and it will cost you plenty.

Perry mason couldn't win you this case,there is just NO UNMET DEMAND.
No matter what sh*t you and numskull come out with, there is just no way this is going to happen.


Fortunately my brief is a tad better than Perry. You stick to your TV illusion, it will help prop up your ownership illusion. You do kinda live in a fantasy, don't you saf?

Actually, no one knows what the demand was, is and will be. Because the council didn't seek to find any demand. They just produced what they thought would justify their refusal.

Not good enough I'm afraid. You see, councils have a duty to behave reasonably. CEC didn't. The cases in court will prove this.



Off course to save face and what little dignity the two of you have left,you will continue to say "wait until this time,wait until next time",the truth is Jim the next time and the time after that and the time after that will still have the same outcome.

If you'd been paying attention, I've already explained to you that the one thing we have no control over is the timescale. other things, needs, come into play over which we have no control. But the endgame will happen. That is for sure. You just have to be patient, like we have to.



Now just be a good little boy and either buy a plate like everybody else or just keep paying your rental on time and keep us business men in the lifestyle we are accustomed to.

I've never been a good little boy, I see no reason to start now. You can't buy a plate, it is owned by the council. My rental is my business. You are not a businessman, else you would relish the opportunities afforded by de-restriction where you would be able to grow your business and maximise your investment.

But you would be incapable of this because you comfort zone is operating in the restricted, vested interest market the council gives you. You're little more than an employee of the council, stripped of the normal benefits of council employees and paying your own NI, holiday pay, sickness insurance, pension etc.



So once again Jim,the plate is the company, agreed,the good thing is knowing the council will never de-restrict these numbers until there is an unmet demand,and we both know that that wont happen unless Edinburgh doubles it's size and the population increases by at least another 100k quality.

Plates - "is the company", are not transferrable. De-restriction is not in the council's hands - read the Scottish Governments Best Practice guidelines.

There won't be any unmet demand identified, though it exists, until the council decides to throw the trade a few scraps. It will keep any demand to itself and expand its own transport interests. This is tantamount to using the Act in a cxorrupt way.

You are a willing participant to council corruption.



Yes "my little illusion" is safe and for a very long time to come.


Even a schoolchild would realise that there is nothing tangible about an illusion. How can it be "safe"?

Idiot.

:roll:




Another long winded rant straight from your blow hole. :shock:
You have a good brief then Jim,so tell us did he mean to turn up without the relevant information :shock:
So you had no representation in court on Tuesday then Jim ? :shock:
"Devious incompetent and self serving" :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
You have been "shafted"and i bet it has cost you "plenty" :D :D
So nobody will know what the" demand was and will be",except you Jim,i thought there was a demand,is this not what your little crusade is about. :oops:
"opportunities afforded by de-restriction"what a complete idiot you are Jim,words can't explain how dumb you are #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o


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jasbar wrote:
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So someone jumps in the taxi Jim and asks you how much to Newcastle,would you tell him,"sorry mate i need to reduce miles and save"
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol
If it's the waste that needs reduced,then reduce it Jim. :shock:
So feck off with fair trade then,are you saying we are getting quality food for the price we pay ?breads bread and milks milk :roll:
So did the chancellor reduce the tax on fuel,cigarettes and alcohol. :shock:

I was saying....... :shock:


Not very hard to prove you wrong AGAIN Jim isn't it. :D :D

Now away out and contribute to your owners pension. :lol: :lol:


Yes, I WOULD refuse the fare to Newcastle.

Councillors are charged with reducing council waste.

Fair Trade and fair prices are not mutually exclusive.

I can afford to buy quality food. Cheap food encourages over buying, excess waste and ends up in landfill.

Cigarette and alcohol tax should be tripled. Fuel tax should be stabilised and the fuel companies excess profits windfall taxed - because they effectively operate a cartel.

Prove me wrong? I can't wait for the flood of viewers who agree with you. But if its decisive debate then perhaps we should set up a venue and the Skull and I will take on all comers. As we did on Radio. :lol:




You would refuse the fare to Newcastle,off course you would Jim :^o :^o
All you done on the radio Jim was the same as you do here,complain about the trade and how corrupt councilors are :roll:
You don't do facts Jim,if you did you wouldn't spend every minute of the day looking for something thats just not there. :shock:


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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 12:55 pm 
Jim
I apologise for the delay in circulating the report. The report has yet to be compiled. The reason for the delay is that I am still waiting for all the information to be forwarded to me. When all the information has been received work will begin on the report itself. I have been following-up requests for the information. Once all the information has been received I would estimate it will take approximately a week to finalise the report.
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Peter Lang
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[quote="jasbar"]Jim
I apologise for the delay in circulating the report. The report has yet to be compiled. The reason for the delay is that I am still waiting for all the information to be forwarded to me. When all the information has been received work will begin on the report itself. I have been following-up requests for the information. Once all the information has been received I would estimate it will take approximately a week to finalise the report.
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Peter Lang
Taxi & Private Hire Licensing
The City of Edinburgh Council[/quote


And your point caller. :lol: :lol:


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As i said,"a mistake by the council",do you think they will make the same mistake again......the answer to that is a big fat NO. :lol: :lol:

Surely you are not saying that councils never repeat mistakes? #-o

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i dont agree that someone who wants a plate and not be forces to pay 50k+ should get one then sell it.

What's the alternative then? :?

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Do you like paying the high fuel prices Jim ? NO WELL CHANGE IT
Do you like paying your council tax Jim ? NO WELL CHANGE IT
Do you like paying the high food prices Jim ? NO WELL CHANGE IT
Do you like paying the governments high taxes Jim ?NO WELL CHANGE IT

All of those above would be a lot more easier to finance if you didn't have to pay £50,000 for a piece of council owned plastic. :wink:

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Sussex wrote:
chipper wrote:
i dont agree that someone who wants a plate and not be forces to pay 50k+ should get one then sell it.

What's the alternative then? :?



sussex whats the point in fighting to get a plate then sell it and rem the plate never even seen a taxi b4 it was sold.

come on sussex you know what iam on about it stinks that people come on here and say its not right that plates cost so much and its not right to put people in debt to buy one then go and do what they say is wrong do you think they were right in doing this and dont say its the system that caused this to happen as in this case it was not.

double standards and pure greed IMO

so much for the right to have your own taxi and work the hours you want and escape the evil owners and there rentals


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